Subj : MakeNL v3.4.1 Release To : Ward Dossche From : Nicholas Boel Date : Mon Dec 30 2013 15:57:16 Hello Ward, On 30 Dec 13 12:18, Ward Dossche wrote to Nicholas Boel: WD> Nick, NB>> I've tried telnetting to every one of those zone 4 BBS systems as NB>> well as trying to telnet to their binkp ports (knowing that NB>> they're all listed as ICM, not getting a response from any of them NB>> wasn't very surprising) only to find one available most of the NB>> time, and that's the ZC. WD> People from Z1 are a funny breed. I'm sure many think the same about you as well, although I try not to label people before knowing them on a better level than this. WD> For years I've been getting my nose chewed-off for even daring to WD> mention anythng about the disfunctionality of the technical attributes WD> associated with what is listed in the Z4-segment. Merely uttering the WD> thought that there is no functioning Z4 anymore but in the best of WD> cases a set-up of point-like systems got me banished to hell. WD> Now it's ... OK ... suddenly ? Okay for what? I mentioned what I witnessed from my own system at one point in time. I didn't say there is no zone 4, and I didn't bash zone 4 for being disfunctional - as you seem to like to do. WD> First of all, the case of zone-4. WD> To be quite blunt, there is no zone-4, just some bogus lines in the WD> nodelist: Yeah that's pretty blunt. Nowhere near what I said, though. And you think I'm a funny breed, eh? :( WD> Eventually it even is obvious to the blind that there is no Z4. WD> Whenever I dared mentioning that in the past, I got machine-gunned WD> down by a Z1 firing-squad. Maybe it's how you went about it that got that response from others? You know, the people "not at the top" ? WD> And now Z1-elements are telling me that Z4 is really not that WD> important? I didn't say they weren't important. If, in fact, they are real live nodes.. I said they wouldn't be affected whatsoever unless an NC allowed unpublished listings in his segment before the RCs and ZCs. I highly doubt this would happen, and believe Manuel would be the first in zone 4 to join the effort. Therefore, nothing should be affected in zone 4 - even if no changes were made to the current segments. You really should get your story straight before putting words into my messages. [Cropped out story-time - since what I said seemed to get your panties in a bunch in regards to zone 4.] WD> There is 1 purpose only to have a zone-4 though, and it's purely WD> political ... not that it will ever happen but in case a showdown WD> occurs among ZCs there will never be a "no decision" situation with WD> the uneven number of 3. Also, there will be no ZC to be awoken from WD> the dead to cast a vote out of nowhere. That's up to you guys to bicker over. Most of the rest of us would just like to continue enjoying the network for it's _good_ things and not worry about the constant fighting a select few always do. Enjoying the network also consists of allowing whatever developers we have left to do their thing, and embrace their achievements - especially if said software is deployed to advance the network. WD> Now, as far as it concerns AllowUnpub ... there is a technical issue WD> here with the setup of ERRFLAGS that makes the parameter irrelevant. I WD> have explained the situation in direct netmail to Andrew Leary and WD> Kees Van Eeten and the problem is in the process of being dealt with. WD> Kees doesn't shout, he suggests, he helps ... that's a main trait of WD> the man who is worth his weight in ... hay. :-) WD> Any more questions? Why do you seem to lift your nose to everyone else? Does being a ZC of Fidonet do that to a person? Not really my idea of a good lifetime achievement, to be completely honest. :( After that, nothing further.. It seems you are the go-to guy if you want something that could help and move the network forward sat on for a lot longer than it needs to be (from what I remember, not the first time?). Thanks for that at least. Regards, Nick --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130910 * Origin: Dark Sorrow | darksorrow.us (1:154/701) .