Subj : Bug Ticket #6 To : Rick Christian From : mark lewis Date : Sat Nov 12 2016 00:14:58 10 Nov 16 23:32, you wrote to me: ml>> clothes and they're too ignorant to understand why... you took a ml>> shortcut when you assumed that JAMNNTPd supportes RFC-3977 when it ml>> doesn't and never purported to do so... RC> I am not going to start this ....process up. you already did several weeks ago... RC> I did not take a shortcut.. you sure as hell did, too... RC> I am looking at what the issue is with Pan and Knode(Knews) not RC> working. right... you found out that they are not checking for the capability of a mode switching server before they ASSUME that it is a mode switching server and as such they are disconnecting based on their ERRONEOUS ASSUMPTION... RC> Pan gave the info I needed to start the process, it listed the error RC> Error 500 Unknown Command... no... it reported what JAMNNTPd returned... RC> At this point I looked what MODE READER was... and you didn't look to see if it was something from RFC-977 which is what JAMNNTPd supports... it does not support anything more than RFC-997 and only two commands from RFC-2980... you'd have seen this if you had read the ReadMe.txt file... RC> It appears 3 of the most used profer this command up on an intial RC> connection. that doesn't make them or the practise correct... RC> No client I've seen goes the route you proffer ie: HELP, parse, RC> CAPABILITIES, parse.. send command...that testing is not definitive as RC> I tested with 3. oh well... i guess that means that several others have also taken shortcuts instead of doing thing properly from the outset... RC> It appears the clients are assuming that all servers respond to this, RC> and only thunderturkey seems to basically just ignore a 500 error and RC> then go ahead and issue LIST. like i said, it doesn't mean that the practise is correct... it won't be the first time that a bunch of popular software packages have been doing things incorrectly all along... quite a few FTN mailers (for an example) used to specifically work around the flawed transmissions from a specific FTN mailer... when those mailers all stopped working around that mailer's flaws, that flawed mailer was finally fixed... think about it... that was roughly two decades ago... ml>> there are quite a few news clients available... Cone, Gemini, Gnus, ml>> GRN, KLibido, Knews, KNode, krn, Lucy, Mahogany, SeaMonkey, ml>> Thunderbird, Newega, NewsFlex, Newsleader, NN, PAN, PINE, PNNTP, Post ml>> Office, Pyne, rn, SkateNews, skim, slrn, Sylpheed, tass, TIN, trn, ml>> Trulsnews, XRN, and xvnews... RC> Nice list from wiki, BZZZT! try again! ;) RC> outside of Pan, KNode(Knews), tin, thunderturd, never heard of them. obviously :) )\/(ark Always Mount a Scratch Monkey Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong... .... Beta Testers are crazy, Alpha Testers are totally insane. --- * Origin: (1:3634/12.73) .