Subj : Re: Dynamic IPv6
To   : Michiel van der Vlist
From : Tony Langdon
Date : Mon Mar 04 2019 17:17:00

-=> On 03-03-19 11:50, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

 MvV> There is an EU directive that forbids ISPs to force their equipment on

While not relevant to me (long way from EU ;) ), this discussion is
nteresting.

 MvV> customers. Some countries such as Germany have already implemented it.
 MvV> Here in The Netherlands the big ISPs are still dragging their feet. Now
 MvV> the argument is where the ISP's network ends and the customers network
 MvV> starts. The cable boys are now trying to twist is so that the modem
 MvV> part is "their" part of the network and the router is part of the
 MvV> customer's network. That way they can still demand that the customer
 MvV> use their modem but can have its own router. The tweakers want their
 MvV> own modem as well. The jury is still out on that issue...

That does raise some good questions - where does the ISP's network end and the
customer's start?  In Australia, at the physical level, the ISP's network now
doesn't go anywhere near the premises, because the last mile is carried by the
NBN infrastructure, which is currently owned by a government owned entity. 
Even before the NBN, in many cases, a different telco owned the DSLAM and
copper lines to the ISP.  Now, if the ISP owns the infrastructure (cable, etc
in many countries), then which side of the divide is the modem on?  And does it
depend on who purched the modem?

But logically, one could argue that the ISP's network starts at the device
which does the login (over PPPoE or whatever).  Looks like this is one for the
courts to resolve.


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