Subj : nlupd and daily nodelists To : Fabio Bizzi From : Kai Richter Date : Mon May 17 2021 12:10:18 Hello Fabio! 17 May 21, Fabio Bizzi wrote to Kai Richter: FB>>> Daily lists don't have diffs. ;) KR>> Mine is a misuse of a software that is not designed for the job. FB> My conclusion is that is a misuse for you, but it's simple, you can FB> still run weekly nodelists and leave everyone else to do exactly what FB> they wants. I do. And i do talk about that topic because of... FB>>> It's obviuos, it would bounce them back to the originating node. KR>> Yes. I had that twice this year. FB> Wow, really annoying... ....your definitin is annoying behavior too. FB>>> I don't want to change your mind, probably the weekly nodelist FB>>> suits your needs, my need, instead, is to have a daily updated FB>>> nodelist. KR>> Why can't that wait for weekly revision? FB> I wrote it in my previous message, I'ts useful when I onboard new FB> nodes to the net, so, every node in my Region can send routed netmails FB> through my node to the new node. The same will happen with the weekly nodelist. I do know "why" we have a nodelist, the questions is "daily". Your reason can be solved with a private nodelist on your system. It would publish the new node to the tracker and the mail isn't bounced. Annoying behavior solved without "official" nodelist. FB> I'll kind ask the new sysop to no contact your node/points until the FB> weekly new nodelist will be released, so no any bounces to you. :D Good advice! Look at that situation. The node is there but you ask him not to publish an echomail to other nodes. Then why do we need daily nodelists? A new node can crash to any known nodes in the nodelist. I'm not sure how strict the trackers are, if they don't check the destination only then a new node could route his contact information to nodes he needs to talk with before he is in the weekly nodelist. KR>> If the new node of the daily nodelist would write in public any KR>> netmail answers could bounce on the next tracker that does not KR>> use the daily list. When that happend to me my question was KR>> "whats wrong with the routing, my mail bounced?" FB> Is It too hard to look at your nodelist and check if the node is in? I did and he was not in. That's the reason why the tracker bounced the netmail. FB> And you're supposing that everyone would answer with a netmail to an FB> echomail message. No, not everyone. If one does then he could get an annoying bounce. If nobody does then again: Why do we need daily lists? KR>> To avoid that all fidonet systems have to switch to daily KR>> nodelists. Then the whole network effort is increased by the KR>> 26600%. FB> For me, it's a conspiracy of the strong powers ... For me it's a review what's going on. The use of daily lists is an unreliable seven days limited advantage for new nodes only. Nodes pull and process informations that they already have except one missing line each day. Regards Kai --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7 * Origin: Monobox (2:240/77) .