Subj : Re: Same old. To : Bj”Rn Felten From : Nick Andre Date : Wed Aug 14 2019 10:22:40 On 14 Aug 19 16:01:27, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Frank Linhares: BF> FL> There are even nodes who BF> FL> are members who want absolutely nothing to do with Fidonet. I wonder w BF> FL> that could be. BF> BF> Fake news based upon a few sysop echoes from yesteryears? Nope. I personally deal with listed Fido Sysops who come to regret being listed. You know, for example a newcomer or long-time returning Sysop joins again and sees nonstop stupid constant shit in Fidonews from a certain troll character who is not even nodelisted. Thats example #1 and why you do not see this negative effect is astounding. But its his free speech, right? The rest of the examples of why Fido is in trouble are generally about how conversations are either test-messages or topics of a negative tone, ie. rehashing zone-warz, my country is better than yours, etc. To keep this somewhat on-topic - The state of fidonet.org is what it is, largely due to politics. Dead echoes... don't even get me started. Dead echoes and a whole distribution method in place to ensure a moderator's "rules" are posted on-time and count as sufficient traffic to keep 'em around. None of this shit happens in an Othernet. No trolls, no Sysops allowing trolls under the guise of "free speech" (Othernet Sysops respect eachother), no endless tests, no dead echoes, no zone-warz, no your-country-sucks, surprisingly little to no dupes, no Nodelist Police... No politics being played, NO bullshit. Micronet, Fsxnet, Scinet, Agora,... "Other nets" for the most part are a breath of fresh air. I am much happier as a tiny little node in an Othernet, than a ZC in Fidonet where its just non-stop keyboard warriors and bullshit. Nick --- Renegade vY2Ka2 * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426) .