Subj : rules of this echo
To   : Alexander Koryagin
From : Anton Shepelev
Date : Fri Dec 14 2018 15:35:32

Alexander Koryagin to Anton Shepelev:

AK>>> BTW, it is a hummer time to ask here where is the
AK>>> difference between "you are welcomed" and "you are
AK>>> welcome"?

AS>> The one relates the actual action of welcoming and the
AS>> other a potential readiness thereto. Compare the
AS>> following sentences:

AK> === "The first one relates to..."  === and the other is
AK> a potential readiness...

Even though my sentence may be ungrammatical, I disagree
with your corrections.  I did mean the transitive form of
"relate", and elided it in the second clause, cf. Roger
Bacon's "Reading maketh a full man, conference a ready man,
and writing an exact man."

AK> I also collected some information on this issue.
AK> [...]
AK> The adjective "welcome" is actually a _property_ of a
AK> person.

On the contrary, it denotes the attude of another party
toward that person.

AK> As an adjective "welcome" means that a person (who is
AK> welcome) is an embodiment of greeting. ;-)
Not necessarily.
AK> IMHO, "You are welcomed" is legal, means the same, but
AK> more formal.

Certainly not.  It means somebody has welcomed me,
regardless of my amiability.

AK> Look at this article, for instance:
AK>
AK> In the sentences "Your thoughts are welcomed" and
AK> "You're welcome," the word "welcome" is being used in
AK> two different ways, as a verb in the first one and as an
AK> adjective in the second.
AK>
AK> As a verb, "welcome" means to greet cordially or accept
AK> with pleasure.  You might ask your doctor, for instance,
AK> "Do you welcome new patients," and she might reply,
AK> "Yes, I welcome them" or "Yes, new patients are
AK> welcomed."

Correct, but not the same as "New patiens are welcome"!

AK> Similarly, when you say, "Your thoughts are welcomed,"
AK> you're using "welcome" as a verb (a past participle in
AK> this case).  On the other hand, in sentences like

such as

AS> "I felt welcome" or "He's welcome to visit" or "The rain
AS> was welcome" or "She gave welcome advice," the word is
AS> an adjective meaning received gladly or giving pleasure.

The meaning of "welcome" in the first sentence is different.
It *promises* a welcome in case that person should visit the
speaker.

AK> It's this adjectival sense that we use when we say
AK> "You're welcome" in reply to "Thank you."

Indeed, and "welcomed" would be rather awkward!

AK> Dictionaries don't usually define the adjective
AK> "welcome" in this idiomatic usage.  The Oxford English
AK> Dictionary, for example, describes "You're welcome"
AK> simply as "a polite formula used in response to an
AK> expression of thanks."

Another good alternative interpretation of this "welcome",
because "come" is also the perfect aspect of "to come".

P.S.: Your English seems is improving :-)

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