Subj : And/From...  1.
To   : Ardith Hinton
From : Roy Witt
Date : Sat Mar 03 2018 08:24:55

08 Jul 12 00:46, Ardith Hinton wrote to Roy Witt:

 AH> Hi, Roy!  Recently you wrote in a message to mark lewis:

 ml>>  and mine is short enough to make a tagline from ;)

 RW>>  and? from?

 AH>             Good questions, IMHO.  Read on....  :-)

 RW>>  There's also an English grammar rule about using an idiom
 RW>>  at the beginning of a sentence and/or a preposition at the
 RW>>  end of a sentence.

 AH>             When you & I went to school it was frowned upon to begin
 AH> a sentence with a co-ordinating conjunction such as "and" or "but"
 AH> although the writers of magazine ads did.

It was noted in my 9th grade English class that newspapers were the
foremost offender of conjunction syndrome in their reporting.

 AH> It was frowned upon to say "It's me" although other kids our own age
 AH> did.  It was frowned upon to say "Where are you from?" although you
 AH> may have recognized it as a pickup line at the local tavern shortly
 AH> thereafter.

I remember those days.

 AH>             No doubt many students wondered what planet their
 AH> teachers were on. Chances are these students knew how to speak
 AH> colloquial English before entering school, however, and it was the
 AH> teacher's duty to drag them kicking & screaming to the next level by
 AH> modelling formal usage.  That was the situation in Canada, at any
 AH> rate... as seen from the other side of the desk later.  ;-)

That was also the case in the states, although it has gone the way of the
dodo bird in more recent times. I also got the reprimand from my father
when I began to use what he termed as "Chicagoisms" such as dis, dat and
many other words.

 AH>              In Fidonet, people tend to use informal language because
 AH> we're all in effect members of the same club.  That's what I'm doing
 AH> when I say "Hi, Roy" rather than "Hello, Mr. Witt".  That's what I'm
 AH> doing when I use metaphors such as the one in the first sentence of
 AH> the previous paragraph... remembering how I enjoyed learning about
 AH> the equivalent (for example) of "put that in your pipe & smoke it" in
 AH> French, I understand why some of our readers from the ex-USSR have
 AH> made a point of encouraging native speakers of English to use them
 AH> freely.  The "rules" WRT formal & informal usage are a bit different
 AH> at times.  I think your query about the use of "from" here involves
 AH> more than just word order, however. As I was about to post this reply
 AH> I noticed you'd found another example... I'll continue the discussion
 AH> later with more detail about "from" in particular.
 AH> :-)

Cool. I'm always up for another session of English 101. (I hope the
Russians know what 'cool' means in American colloquial English)

                R\%/itt

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