Subj : Program Quoter - Grammatical Notes To : Ardith Hinton From : alexander koryagin Date : Sat Mar 03 2018 08:24:55 From: "alexander koryagin" F2EP Hi, Ardith Hinton! How are you? on Tuesday, 15 of May, I read your message to alexander koryagin about "Program Quoter - Grammatical Notes" ak>> "Re: Program Quoter - you are very welcomed" AH> "You're welcome" is a standard reply in English when somebody has said AH> "Thank you". In this case "welcome" functions as an adjective. Another AH> example: "You're welcome to ask about anything you didn't understand AH> here." AH> The same word is also used as a noun... e.g. "Ivan gave us a warm AH> welcome when we arrived on his doorstep unexpectedly." AH> The same word is also used as a verb... e.g. "Ivan and his family AH> welcomed us to their home." Because participles are often used with AH> linking verbs in English (e.g. "I'm delighted to hear that!") I AH> understood what you meant, but it's not quite what native speakers of AH> English are accustomed to. Yeah, I thought then that I should have written "you are welcome", but it was too late. ;) Anyway it is interesting to know that some verbs in English actually don't have the form of the past participle. ;) Well, indeed, a student can think that the verb "to welcome" has participle "welcomed": "He welcomed me to the party. I liked to be welcomed. I am welcomed." And it strange that the man that invited me thinks that I am welcome, and not welcomed. ;-) ak>> We used it in books and etc. AH> Since "et cetera" means "and the rest" in Latin & in English, the AH> addition of another "and" is redundant. AH> Many native speakers make the same error....: - ) And all this makes another rule about using a comma before etc. http://blog.editage.com/taxonomy/term/349 -----Beginning of the citation----- In some research papers, I have seen that there is no comma before etc. When is a comma used before etc.? A comma is used before etc. when it follows more than one listed item, for example, rivers, lakes, streams, etc. (comma used) but rivers etc. (no comma used). -----The end of the citation----- But English Punctuation says that there is no comma before "and" in the list. But you say that "etc" includes a comma inside. So, probably, we (theoretically) should never use a comma before "etc." ;) [...A silent fool is counted wise] Bye Ardith! Alexander (yAlexKo[]yandex.ru) + 2:5020/2140.91 fido7.english-tutor 2012 --- ifmail v.2.15dev5.4 * Origin: Demos online service (2:5020/400) .