Subj : their bid has been beaten into submission To : Alexander Koryagin From : August Abolins Date : Fri Jan 10 2020 18:05:03 On 10/01/2020 1:16 a.m., Alexander Koryagin : Dallas Hinton wrote: Hello Alexander! AK>>> What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into AK>>> submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand AK>>> the phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into AK>>> submission", but this one... AK> When robbers beat their victim into submission they actually AK> become winners. AK> When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say AK> they gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been AK> trained. But in this case the "robber" is the "ice", not the scientists. The victim is the equipment. The ice wins. Equipment loses. There is no evidence (in the citation) that the scientists did the beating. It just says that their bid has been beaten (by the ice). Just my guess. --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0) .