Subj : Re: Cloning a 2.5" IDE/PATA Laptop Hard drive To : All From : nospam@needed.invalid Date : Thu Jan 31 2019 19:16:21 Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.o rg!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Cloning a 2.5" IDE/PATA Laptop Hard drive Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 15:06:33 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 131 Message-ID: References: <9gka0d55a85fgg6d62v76qacjftdvtei72@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:06:32 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="e0f8c23c4ac5e5fc899797d5779c788e"; logging-data="30066"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX181WzesarnAyy5dcbJWojHncJXVqWQMPNs=" User-Agent: Ratcatcher/2.0.0.25 (Windows/20130802) In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:Z3VAznV4YUY7UKv7YZ7vE76YIP4= Xref: feeder.eternal-september.org microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:134497 james@nospam.com wrote: > On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 06:37:23 -0500, Paul wrote: > >> How is that possible ? >> >> You'd need a pretty new power supply, to not have the floppy connector. >> Or maybe a very old one. >> >> "Molex 4-pin LP4 & Floppy Drive 4-pin SP4 Female Adapter Converter Y Cable" >> >> The closest I could find to a classical one, is a Molex that goes >> to two SP4 connectors. >> >> https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go-Internal-Multi-Color/dp/B0002J1KW6 >> >> Normally, you'd buy a Molex that goes to another Molex plus a Floppy SP4. >> And I'm not seeing any of those for sale. >> >> ******* >> >> This site has pictures of power connectors if you need them. >> Might take a while to load on your dialup connection. >> >> http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html >> >> ******* >> >> I would check to make sure one of the wire looms isn't all wound >> up in an elastic and hiding the floppy power connection. >> >> Paul > > You're right. It was well hidden. That computer came with one of those > mini card readers. For SD, MMC, whatever they are all called.... > I think that thing was put where a floppy drive would go. That thing had > 4 slots, and was using 4 drive letters, sandwiched in between hard > drives and CD. That annoyed the shit out of me, so I unplugged it almost > as soon as I bought the computer. (The only mini cards I use are SD from > my camera, and I have a USB adaptor for that). > > Anyhow, the power plug for a floppy drive was crammed above that stupid > mini card thing. Since I dont plan ot ever use that thing, I may remove > it and put my floppy drive in that slot. > > By the way, it's been a long time since I installed a floppy drive. The > cable is straight on one end and has a set of twisted wires on the other > end. Am I correct that the twisted end goes to the floppy drive? (Or > will it work either way)? The twisted end is the floppy end. The twist is presumably for drive selection, but maybe Wikipedia has a reference on that. X------------------X--twist--X mobo FloppyA The cable has a red mark indicating pin 1. The drive casing has a triangle marking pin 1 stamped in the metal. You need a strong work light, and your wits about you, not to miss these "hints printed in metal". It was the same thing when I got my first optical drive to install, I entirely missed the beautiful legend printed in the metal, which identified everything. Some drive cables have the alignment tab, but it's quite common for installers to get it wrong, and rotate the cable 180 degrees. If the cable is rotated on the floppy end, the LED on the floppy will come on, the heads will stay selected. That's how you know it's inserted wrong on the floppy end. There is no damage to the floppy, if it's inserted wrong. I can't say what happens if you insert cable wrong in FloppyA and right in FloppyB, whether messing up one of the two connectors in a dual floppy setup, has as happy a set of symptoms. The motherboard end, the cable should have a "blocked pin". Using a flashlight, examine the floppy connector on the motherboard for a missing pin. The motherboard connector should have a dot or triangle near the pin 1 end. The alignment (Blocked) pin should prevent the motherboard end from being inserted incorrectly. And sometimes the motherboard end has an alignment tab, which makes it real easy to figure out. There are hints. You need a lot of light. The symbols needed, are in the general area, so keep looking for hints. But the floppy cable is just about the worst design in the machine, in terms of keying. As far as I'm concerned they could have used the alignment tabs that prevent reversal, on all the connectors. ******* Just because a machine has one IDE (for two HDD), and two SATA cables (for two more HDD), doesn't mean you're limited. There are SATA to IDE and IDE to SATA dongles of various sorts. I own an IDE to SATA, for my IDE motherboards, so I can connect a SATA drive to them. I don't have a SATA to IDE drive one, it's missing from my collection. I had a great brand picked out and everything, but no retailer in Canada carried it. Some of the good ones, went out of production seven years ago. But, there are still a few for sale today. There are a number of different designs - some are even "bidirectional" designs. And it's the usual thing, some fit the device end, some are designed to be plugged into the motherboard end. I was limited to shopping in Canada, by the Customs & Excise scam the courier companies were carrying out. No company wants to deal with Postal Mail shipments today. They all want to use a courier. The courier wants to slap a brokerage fee onto the shipping, making it uneconomical for small shipments. Over the years, Canada has not raised the "small dollar" customs-free feature, and it's possibly still in the $20 range. If something arrives by Post for example, with a stated dollar value less than $20, there's no Customs & Excise stop for that. Canada Post just delivers that to your door. When I was a teenager, before Couriers, all the surplus electronics companies I used to deal with, they shipped Postal no problem at all. I used to do my own brokerage at the Customs & Excise building myself. Canada Post would send the parcel to Customs, a notice card would come in the mail, I'd head down and deal with a clerk at the counter. No scams back in those times... Actual honest dealing. Unheard of. 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