Subj : Re: Cloning a 2.5" IDE/PATA Laptop Hard drive To : All From : nospam@needed.invalid Date : Thu Jan 31 2019 19:16:21 Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org !.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Subject: Re: Cloning a 2.5" IDE/PATA Laptop Hard drive Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 05:04:21 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 178 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 11:04:23 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="f17f5c525864784872f22b0c48666765"; logging-data="26236"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/gfLCH8hnvFIZNZesBNgXiGhEH78PBPu8=" User-Agent: Ratcatcher/2.0.0.25 (Windows/20130802) In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:h2MPrBBNEZIh3KxRGModmQosyc0= Xref: news.eternal-september.org microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:134437 james@nospam.com wrote: > I have an old Lenovo t-43 laptop running XP. It has a 40gb hard drive, > which is too small for my needs. With the OS, and the programs I use, > plus some videos and music for when I am on the road, I end up with 28gb > filled, and 12gb available. It's not uncommon for me to go to a WIFI and > download 10gb of programs. videos and so on. Then I get a "drive full" > message, which means it's not entirely full, but very close. > > For awhile I was carrying around a 64gb flash drive, but that thing is > always getting misplaced in the car. I decided to go to ebay and find an > 80gb hard drive. I found a 160gb drive for $3 more than an 89gb, so I > bought the 160gb. > > I dont have the drive yet, but when I get it, I want to clone the > current drive to the new one, so I dont have to reinstall everything. > But how do I do this? > > Laptops dont have space for a second HDD. (at least mine dont). > > I have one of those cable kits that is for hooking any 3.5" IDE or SATA > drive to a USB port. It dont have the plug for these 2.5" drives, so I > assume I will have to buy one made for these 2.5" laptop drives. > > (Do they sell adaptor kits for these laptop drives?) > (Are they labeled for these kind of drives)? > > Once I buy the adaptor, I think all I have to do is run Partition Magic > 8, (which I have) to clone the drive. > > But once it's cloned, will it boot, or do I need to do something to make > it bootable? > > But then I was wondering if it's possible to clone the drive to a 64gb > flash drive, then clone it from the flash drive to the new HDD? The only > problem there, is that this computer can not be booted from a USB drive, > so I will probably have to borrow a newer laptop to clone from the USB > to the new HDD. > > Will that even work? The combo USB2 adapters usually have 3 connectors. 7 pin SATA data (for 2.5" or 3.5" SATA drives) 40 pin IDE (for 3.5" IDE drives) 44 pin IDE (for 2.5" IDE drives) https://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/media/products/gallery_large/USB2SATAIDE.Main ..jpg ******* You can also get adapters, to convert between 44 pin and 40 pin. https://www.startech.com/Cables/Drive/IDE/25-to-35-IDE-Hard-Drive-Cable-Adapter ~IDE4044 The 44 pin connector has 2mm spacing between pins. The 40 pin connector has 0.1" spacing between pins. The connectors are actually using the same protocol, which is why a passive adapter can convert from one to the other. Some of the passive adapters, are meant for motherboard mounting, others are meant for usage with the cable. That's in case you cannot figure out why the gender on the connector "isn't right". They're for different applications. You have to think carefully about what the gender says about the connector, and whether it fits into your plan. ******* Some laptops take a hard drive adapter that fits in the optical drive bay. You could use Macrium to clone disk-to-disk if going that route. If you own a USB stick, you can use Macrium emergency boot CD, to boot the laptop, and backup C: to the USB stick. Then, shut down, and install the new hard drive. Boot the Macrium emergency boot CD a second time, do a restore from the USB stick, to the new hard drive. The size of the MRIMG file in that case, is only big enough to hold the files. If you have 20GB of files on a 100GB disk, the MRIMG file is 20GB in size, not 100GB in size. With compression enabled, it can actually be a bit less than 20GB. Macrium supports resize-on-restore, so a smaller C: partition can be used to "fill" a larger drive. That saves a step later with a Partition Manager. Obviously, a partition manager has lots of options like this covered, and I've certainly done clones that way in the past. It all depends on whether you need to use the "backup/restore method", to get around a lack of drive bays or not. You can use the USB to SATA/IDE adapter, instead of the optical drive bay method. And clone over that way. Then, it would depend on whether your software "respects" the USB adapter. I've had problems before, where the USB adapter doesn't show up in a tool, so I'm robbed of the convenience of doing it that way. Perhaps it was my older copy of Partition Magic which had an issue. Just because you've got that adapter, doesn't always means everything you do is a "slam-dunk". Just so you're warned in advance. The backup/restore method might work. The emergency boot CD should be made on the machine which will be the target, so that the boot-CD-making-software can load the correct drivers for the platform. For example, if you had USB3 ports, you'd endeavor to make sure that USB3 drivers were included on the emergency CD. Another example, is network drivers. File sharing won't work, unless the emergency CD has a network driver. There's usually a dialog which notes which drivers are going onto the CD. And you review those, before wasting a CD. I use CDRW or DVDRW materials, so if I screw up, I just burn a second time. Modern (non-Memorex) re-writeable media is pretty good now, so I hardly have trouble any more with media. In fact, at the moment, I'm sporting some CMC media (which would normally not be my first choice), and it actually works. My computer store didn't have any Ritek in the aisle any more. I had to take a chance on some crap instead. With the experience level you have under your belt, this is "just work to do". There's probably more than one way to attempt to do it. If first you don't succeed, then Plan B or Plan C and so on. You know the drill by now. ******* Since your WinXP is patched up to SP3, there won't be any worries about 48 bit LBA support. That should just work too. Since you're doing a clone, there's no way to lose the data in any case. Your original drive is your backup copy. A nice safe set of operating conditions. ******* You could also do some of your prep work on your desktop. But only if you have one of those 40 to 44 pin passive adapters. When I receive a new drive, I like to pop it into HDTune, and do a read benchmark. Just to make sure it has a nice smooth curve, with no "flat spots". The presence of a swath of abnormally slow read transfer rate, would indicate some spared-out sectors are present. http://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe The area around 72% in this HDTune example, looks like a bad area. The whole disk doesn't look all that healthy - I just wanted to show a "wide" area which was bad. And the 72% area just barely meets that criterion. http://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=68284&stc=1& thumb=1&d=1305052454 This one looks pretty good. Only a couple of the yellow seek dots are outliers, and not enough to worry about. The stair-step appearance of the blue transfer curve, is zoned recording on the platter (that's a format they use). The "noise level" on the blue part, cannot get much lower, because of the timing routines used to measure transfer rate. OS activity can interfere with the test... An OS like Windows 10, would be the worst for that (interfering with your benchmarking work). I've had some new disk drives, that didn't look quite this good. This drive is a keeper. http://www.buildegg.com/bewp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/HDTune_Benchmark_WDC_WD 5001AALS-00L3B_A.png Paul --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.1 * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet.RDFIG.NET www. (1:124/5013) .