Subj : Thoughts and Musings
To   : ALEXANDER KORYAGIN
From : BOB KLAHN
Date : Thu Dec 04 2014 01:09:00


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  BK>>>>>> that be considered the dividing line between programming and
  BK>>>>>> artificial intelligence?

  AK>>> Suppose you have two logical tasks. They can be done both by a
  AK>>> human or a robot. The dividing line that exists between a human
  AK>>> and robot lies not in the logic. A live being can feel happiness,
  AK>>> emotions, love -- in short things that cannot be programmed or
  AK>>> defined as an algorithm.

  BK>> I don't know whether or not they could someday be programmed,
  BK>> however, I do see where an artificial intelligence could be a
  BK>> sociopath.

 AK> Robot will never enjoy to kill humans. But it can be
 AK> erroneously programed and make mistakes. For instance, in

 Or be programmed that way deliberately.

 AK> its program there can be stated that if someones kill
 AK> people by thousands they are terrorists and must be killed.
 AK> And this robot can make a mistake and kill a pack of
 AK> American soldiers. ;-) Or a robot can decide erroneously
 AK> that the country under the nuclear attack and start a
 AK> nuclear war. But all this have nothing to do with bad
 AK> behavior or evil intelligence of the robot.

 That was the thinking behind the movie "War Games".

 AK> Intelligence cannot be evil. Human feelings can.

 Intelligence alone has no motivation.

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  AK>>> feelings never will be programmed in robots. Because the

  BK>> If you programmed the responses to mimic human feelings to the
  BK>> point where no one could tell the difference, would there be a
  BK>> difference?

 AK> If a wax copy of a human resembles him very much -- does it
 AK> mean that there is no difference? If this wax puppet move
 AK> its brows and lips will it make it more human? No, of
 AK> course.

 The question is, if you can't tell the difference, can you say
 there is a difference.

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  BK>> That is why I am musing on the questions. We do not know much about
  BK>> it, thus how do we judge it?

 AK> There are some great mystical facts that cannot be either
 AK> explained or understood by humans. For instance, human

 Cannot yet... but Evolution is still working.

 AK> cannot explain eternity and eternal things. A human thinks

 Give us enough time and we will see what happens.

 AK> that there must be the beginning, and in the same time he
 AK> affirms constantly that every form of matter is born by
 AK> another form of matter.

 Ah, we contradict ourselves in our certainty. True.

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  BK>> Not yet. Does intelligence require awareness of self?

 AK> No it doesn't. Every computer program can be called an
 AK> intelligent object.

 Some I have worked on have been called a lot worse than that.

  BK>> All that I don't believe anyone knows, but a lot of self anointed
  BK>> philosophers will proclaim their truths as if they were truths.

 AK> It seems to me that many good philosophers just conjectured
 AK> things.

 I agree.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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