Subj : Re: Clandestine activity is a holy cow of democracy To : BOB KLAHN From : alexander koryagin Date : Tue Aug 20 2013 10:07:48 Hi, BOB KLAHN! I read your message from 17.08.2013 23:06 AK>> Taliban was created by the US as a weapon against the USSR, as AK>> well as Bin Laden, who was, one time, a BK> Not the Taliban, more Bin Laden's friends. The Taliban started with BK> an Afghan Cleric outraged at the corruption of the warlords. His BK> group would have been OK if they had brought and end to the BK> oppression of the warlords, but instead he changed one oppressor BK> for another. The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. So, The Taliban is just a political personification of this movement after the war with the USSR and falling Najibullah's government. AK>>>> declared before each invasion. The US invaded into Afghanistan AK>>>> to catch Bin Laden, the US invaded in Iraq to destroy its AK>>>> stockpiles of weapon of mass destruction. BK>>> The US invaded Iraq to control the oil. The rest was lies. AK>> It is not correct, by a simple reason - Saddam had never refused AK>> to sell Iraqi oil for the US. Vice versa - on BK> The US did not invade to get the oil, but to control the oil. A BK> group called the Project For A New American Century wanted to take BK> the oil and use it to break the Saudi control of OPEC. Big oil BK> wanted control of the oil also, but not to break Saudi control. Big BK> Oil had more power. So what was in the result of the war? Does the US control Iraqi oil now? AK>> You said, you don't have a special police force in the US which is AK>> trained to disperse people's rallies? I saw BK> Not Military. AK>> myself how violently were dispersed the people from "Occupy Wall AK>> street" movement. BK> Those were local police, not military. Do you think there is a big difference who disperse people's rallies? In general, all the forces that participate in it are the state armed forces, they carry out orders and they have no right to discuss the orders they get. If the police special forces need help the military will get involved. In general, the coup in Egypt shows us what can happen when the military and the police are out of public control and replace democracy. Bye, BOB! Alexander Koryagin fido7.debate 2013 --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2) .