Subj : Clandestine activity is a holy cow of democracy
To   : LEE LOFASO
From : BOB KLAHN
Date : Tue Aug 06 2013 13:14:10


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AK>>Freedom has never been archived without treason of the oppressive
AK>>regime. Because, when fighters for freedom overthrow a legitimate,
AK>>but oppressive power they commit an act of high treason.

 LL> Jeffersonian violence is acceptable if, and only if, a
 LL> regime becomes so oppressive that it has lost its
 LL> legitimacy to govern. By that way of thinking, it is not an
 LL> act of treason but rather an act of patriotism.

 "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among
 Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
 governed,..."

 That is the "Jeffersonian" principle of government. Degrees of
 oppresion are not considered.

AK>>In other words if the state authority does ugly things it cannot be
AK>>stopped without treason.

 LL> It is treason only if the parties are not successful in
 LL> overthrowing the evil regime ...

 That part is true... in the real world.

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AK>>If the treason is made for the world it is great;

 LL> Nobody commits acts of high treason for altruistic reasons.
 LL> Unless they are stupid or retarded.

 Or very highly moral. The same reason anyone ever performs an
 act of heroism.

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AK>>Terrorism can be killed only the same way how it was born! The US
AK>>people must understand why Arabs that were so far from terrorism
AK>>until WWII became so close to terrorism after the war. The reason
AK>>is simple -- great injustice. So, the remedy against Arab terrorism
AK>>is justice, not spying on all the people around the world.

 LL> A war on international criminals can be fought.  But never
 LL> a "war on terror" or a "war on terrorism."  International
 LL> criminals know no political borders or boundaries.

 The war on terror must be a war on injustice.

AK>>I've already said that system is not able to prevent terror attacks.

 LL> No system is able to prevent terror attacks.  Not entirely,
 LL> anyway.

 No system is ever perfect.

 LL> Britons, Russians, and Americans have all gone to
 LL> Afghanistan.

 LL> Britons, Russians, and Americans have all returned home
 LL> with their tails between their legs.  Why is that?
 LL> Afghanistan is not so much a country as it is tribal lands
 LL> run by warlords.  No army can invade and hold a land whose
 LL> people are not a people.

 I would argue, a land where the people are not a people would be
 the easiest to hold. A tribe is a people.

 LL> Pakistanis and Afghans cross over their border as if it
 LL> does not exist.  That is the way it has been for centuries.
 LL>  To them, they are all the same people.  Different tribes,
 LL>  but the same people. Not really Pakistani or Afghan or
 LL>  Iranian, etc.

 Which is how the outside rulers screwed up in setting up the
 boundaries long ago.

 LL> Not even Alexander the Great could conquer Afghanistan.  He
 LL> thought he could, but wound up retreating with his tail
 LL> between his legs.

 Yet the Afghans do it.


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