Subj : Egypt... To : ALL From : BOB KLAHN Date : Tue Feb 08 2011 11:17:20 So he knew the answer to SH's question all along. This is a tacit admission Ross S was right. SH>>> How do you know this, Otto? TR>> He's a leftie. He follows the leftie method of trashing anyone who TR>> says things he doesn't like or agree with. ... TR> Here's something on that for you to chew on: TR> Mr. Kristol, Stand for Truth TR> Bill Kristol has opened the french doors of his ivory TR> tower, stepped out and deigned to address the great TR> unwashed conservative quarter. High above the people and TR> reality, he admonishes those on the right for not embracing TR> the catastrophic events unfolding in the Middle East. TR> In his opinion piece, Stand for Freedom, he dismisses or TR> summarily denies the concrete facts on the ground. Of TR> course, we all want freedom. Of course, we support voices TR> yearning to be free. We fought for and believed The Bush TR> Doctrine, and still do. But there is far more at work here, TR> as evidenced by the fierce behind-the-scenes jockeying and TR> arm-twisting by the on-the-ascent Muslim Brotherhood, an TR> organization created at the fall of the Ottoman Empire. TR> The left wing lemmings are eating up this discourse like TR> maggots on dead flesh, but that is their only joy, so let TR> them have it. TR> But Kristol is so wrong, inexcusably so. Glenn Beck nailed TR> it. The advance of Islamic supremacism is exactly what is TR> at play here. And we are right to be cautious. Nobody TR> expects Mubarak to survive -- we only care about what comes TR> after. There is Kristol-lite and there is reality. TR> Muslim Brotherhood: Egyptians demanding restoration of TR> Islamic law TR> And yet William Kristol writes: TR> The United States has played a role in helping those TR> transitions turn out (reasonably) well. America needn't be TR> passive or fretful or defensive. We can help foster one TR> outcome over another. As Krauthammer puts it, "Elections TR> will be held. The primary U.S. objective is to guide a TR> transition period that gives secular democrats a chance." TR> Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of TR> how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign TR> of health that a political and intellectual movement does TR> not respond to a complicated set of developments with one TR> voice. TR> But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants TR> about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from TR> Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the TR> connections between caliphate-promoters and the American TR> left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and TR> the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just TR> as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s. TR> Nor is it a sign of health when other American TR> conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that TR> they side with the dictator against the democrats. TR> Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans, TR> of short- sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives, TR> of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American TR> conservative tradition. TR> We welcome freedom. We are not siding with dictators, but TR> fighting against the tyranny of Islamic totalitarianism, TR> and so should you, Mr. Kristol. Shame on you. TR> We are not naive. We saw these same Western liberals usher TR> in the reign of the Ayatollah Khomeini and that, too, TR> changed the world forever, for the worse. TR> Much worse. TR> It was not so long ago, after all, when conservatives TR> understood that Middle Eastern dictatorships such as TR> Mubarak's help spawn global terrorism. We needn't remind TR> our readers that the most famous of the 9/11 hijackers, TR> Mohammed Atta, was an Egyptian, as is al Qaeda's number TR> two, Ayman al Zawahiri. TR> Indeed. Islam produces jihad, Mr. Kristol. Islam produces TR> fundamentalism. The quran commands it, demands it. Millions TR> of jihadis are reading the same playbook. Blaming Mubarak TR> or US policy for jihad is like blaming a woman for being TR> raped (ah, if only she didn't have that vagina, all would TR> be well). TR> The idea that democracy produces radical Islam is false: TR> Whether in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian TR> territories, or Egypt, it is the dictatorships that have TR> promoted and abetted Islamic radicalism. (Hamas, lest we TR> forget, established its tyranny in Gaza through TR> nondemocratic means.) TR> Is that so? So please, Mr. islamic scholar Kristol, explain TR> all of the jihadists and home grown terrorists born and TR> raised in Western nations. Think, man. TR> Quoting Robert Spencer, "Muslims are the first immigrant TR> group that has ever come to this country with a ready-made TR> model of society and government they believe to be superior TR> to what we have here." TR> What irks me is that Kristol is dead wrong on Beck's TR> presentation. Finally, someone had the gonads to speak to TR> Islamic supremacism and its global project, and Kristol has TR> the gall to smack him down. How the Weekly Standard has TR> failed the right! Mnay of us have been covering this for TR> years, perplexed and disturbed that no one in the TR> mainstream media dare touch it. TR> The left always aligns itself with the totalitarian TR> ideology of the day (ie Stalinism, communism, national TR> socialism [nazism]), and so it is with Islamic supremacism. TR> Those of us covering the anti-America, anti-war, anti TR> israel movement have documented this for years. CODE PINK, TR> ANSWER, Al Awda, Socialist Workers Party, International TR> Solidarity Movement (ISM), CAIR, ISNA, If Americans Knew TR> (IAK), Friends of Sabeel-North America (FOSNA), Muslim TR> American Society (MAS), Students for Justice in Palestine TR> (SJP). TR> Trust me, Mr. Kristol, Beck did not "invent" that. TR> There is nothing that Beck said was inaccurate. It's all TR> there. You don't have to look for ghosts. There is vast TR> historical, political, judicial evidence of the global TR> jihad and its ties. As for the existence of the violent TR> goals of the caliphate, read the quran and hadith. Or TR> better yet, take a quick look at the past millennium and TR> the 270 million victims of jihadi wars, land TR> appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements. TR> An American conservatism that looks back to 1776 cannot TR> turn its back on the Egyptian people. We should wish them TR> well, and we should work to help them achieve as good an TR> outcome as possible. TR> This prig is lecturing us on 1776? We live it. Every day. I TR> have for the past nine years since 911. I strongly TR> recommend Mr. Kristol step back and read Ibn Warraq, Wafa TR> Sultan, Sir Martin Gilbert, Mark Durie, Jewish history, the TR> Muslim Brotherhood project, the news accounts of the jihad TR> in Thailand, Somalia, the Philippines, Ethiopia, China, TR> Beslan, Moscow, London, Madrid, Israel, Lebanon, Sudan, TR> Tunisia, Kenya ....... you get the picture. TR> --- TR> *Durango b301 #PE* BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg] * Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140) .