Subj : LIBERALS WANT THEIR VERY
To   : JOHN HULL
From : BOB KLAHN
Date : Mon May 23 2011 04:23:50


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 MH>>> I have thought the exact same thing before. Conservative when it
 MH>>> comes to spending, not people's rights. Conservatives follow the
 MH>>> constituation - liberals ignore it or want to change it as they
 MH>>> see fit. Afterall, they know what is best for us average people
 MH>>> in the US population.. :)

 BA>> Conservatives *claim* to follow the Constitution, in practice they do as
 BA>> much damage
 BA>> to it as liberals. The horribly misnamed USA PATRIOT Act to name just
one.

 JH> On balance, if you go back to the beginning of the
 JH> entitlement era (1932), I think you'll find that the most
 JH> egregious damage has been done by Democrats/liberals.  They

 Nope. Bush alone did more damage than democrats did since then.
 Real damage, not pretend damage.

 JH> were the first to start dipping into the Social Security
 JH> trust fund,

 The trust fund was invested in Treasury securities from it's
 inception.

 JH> they passed Johnson's Guns and Butter welfare crap

 Johnson's plan was a work based plan. Welfare existed before
 Johnson, and his attempt to turn it into work was killed by
 conservatives.

 Oh, and Johnson's policies still kept the debt/GDP ratio going
 down.

 JH> they passed Medicare, they passed Food Stamps, etc.

 Medicare has been one of America's great success stories.

 JFK and LBJ got food stamps started up, but the big expansion
 was under Nixon/Ford.

 JH> Now, to be sure, Republicans were complicate in some of
 JH> those, but basically it was Democrats who own the
 JH> entitlement problem.

 Entitlements are not the problem, jobs are. And republicans own
 the unemployment problem.

 JH> After all, most the stuff prior to
 JH> Obama happened between 1945 and 1994 when the Democrats
 JH> were in control of the House and at least partially in
 JH> control of the Senate for the vast majority of that period.

 And republicans were in control of the presidency and partially
 or completely in control of congress most of the time from 1980
 till 2009. Yet they did not solve one single problem in this
 line.



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