Subj : Bin Laden is dead...
To   : GARY PERKINS
From : BOB KLAHN
Date : Tue May 10 2011 23:18:24

-=>> BOB KLAHN wrote to ALL <=-

 EH>> I couldn't care less what they do to the BoM. Their actions
 EH>> aren't the same as Islam requiring me to be subjugated and
 EH>> pay "jizya" (poll tax) to the Muslim overlords.

 BK>>  Since "Islam" does not require any such thing, you need a
 BK>>  reality check.

 GP> Islam does require the tax in Muslim countries.  Muslims
 GP> pay zakat, People of the Book and nonbelievers pay jizya.

 GP> My understanding is, however, that some countries no longer
 GP> strictly follow the rules of zakat and jizya (maybe having
 GP> a newer tax structure?), but there are still some which do.
 GP>  The rules have changed over time, and likely are different
 GP>  now than they once were; for instance, once, moving away
 GP>  from Muslim territory was punishable by enslavement were
 GP>  they caught.

 Ok, did a bit more research. I have yet to figure out how you
 have a 'poll tax' without a vote. See, I understand a poll tax
 as a tax to be allowed to vote. Is there any other form?

 What I find is the term "poll tax" seems to be a misnomer. It's
 just a tax.

 I also found, the tax included an exemption to military service.
 Which implies Muslims had universal military service, at least
 in the early days.

 Also, I wonder about the word 'jizya'. Why do they use that word
 instead of translating it? I wonder if that has changed over the
 centuries. I did find, the 'jizya' is Sunni, not just Islamic.
 The Shia have a different system. Which makes me think the term
 "jizya" was Sunni also, perhaps something changed over the
 centuries, originally meaning something else.

 Many Islamic majority countries are officially secular. I posted
 something on this a while back. And don't forget, Sharia is
 unique to every Islamic group. Even among the same branch of
 Islam Sharia differs from community to community.

 Now, moving away from Muslim territory for who? Muslims or
 non-Muslims? From what I have read leaving Muslim territory was
 always the proper alternative to paying the tax.

 OTOH, again, national law might well be different. For example,
 non-Muslims are supposed to be able to practice their relgion,
 but Saud Arabia is clearly in violation of that rule.

 A big difference is, Zakat is like a tithe, and is given to the
 poor. One of the pillars of Islam. This may not be adhered to in
 many countries, as Muslims actually seem to be no more able to
 follow the teachings of their own religion than Christians are.

 Summary: The whole thing seems to depend on the Islamic group in
 question.



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