Subj : that trick never works To : mark lewis From : Maurice Kinal Date : Fri Apr 12 2019 23:29:16 Hallo mark! ml> by blended i mean that i have to hold the modifier button and ml> then hit the two keys, in proper order, to create the character Wow. That sounds far too much like work. ml> AFAIK they're just CP437 characters greater than 127 You mean like the 0x8d I sent that went MIA along a certain path? Let's see if I can recreate it using utf8 and iconv; It's all fun and games until someone loses an . On the above line it is U+00EC according to vim but after I exit iconv will convert it to 0x8d which should be the proper cp437 character at your end. ml> especially the "box drawing" characters which we use quite a lot ml> when drawing our ASCII/ANSI menus and other screens Which should be the same codes on CP866, CP850, and other assorted IBM 8 bit codepages. They have *NOTHING* to do with ASCII. There is no such thing as a code higher than 127 in ASCII as ALL ASCII codes are 7 bit characters (ie 0-127). There are exactly zero "box drawing" characters in ASCII. ml> if only we were all so lucky It has nothing to do with luck. It is all about making the right choices. Het leven is goed, Maurice .... Huil niet om mij, ik heb vi. --- GNU bash, version 5.0.3(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) * Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint - Ladysmith BC, Canada (2:280/464.113) .