Subj : Obstruction once more To : Tim Richardson From : Dale Shipp Date : Mon Sep 02 2019 01:18:02 -=> On 09-01-19 14:29, Tim Richardson <=- -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tulsi in Chief <=- DS> GD> Robert Mueller testified under oath that his investigation was not DS> GD> obstructed, yet the Democrats want to impeach DS> GD> Trump for obstructing a DS> GD> investigation that ""the lead investigator said was not obstructed."" TR> *********************************************************************** TR> **** DS> Attempts to Obstruct do not have to be successful to be a crime. TR> There was no *obstruction*! Therefore...there is no `crime'! You are coming rather late to this discussion, and it seems that you cannot read either. DS> You are totally misconstruing what the Mueller report and Muller said. TR> Mueller was (supposedly) the lead investigator. Mueller stated under TR> oath his investigation was NOT obstructed! He testified that the attempts at obstruction were not successful. Does not matter whether or not they were successful -- still a crime. GD> This is a matter of record, it's not hear say, he did under oath say GD> that his investigation was not obstructed.... DS>Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of obstruction of justice. TR> Thats like saying someone was in a bank when it was robbed...happened TR> to know the bank robber but had no involvement in the robbery or even TR> any foreknowledge of it.....but being arrested for `bank robbery' TR> because his non involvement or even knowledge of the robbery ...is TR> "Irrelevant to the elements of a crime of..." bank robbery! TR> You don't even see the point of that...do you. And you don't even understand how off the mark your analogy is. Such a person would not be arrested for bank robbery, unless they became an accessory after the fact (e.g. he learned of the robbery, accepted some of the procedes, and/or helped the bank robber evade police). TR> But.....this isn't the main point of this post. So what is your point on bringing up that old stuff again if not to reguritate the same misinformation? TR> Here's a reality check: TR> In the first half of this Labor Day weekend.....there have been 25 TR> people shot in Chicago! Seven of them died! And seven died in Odessa Texas on Saturday, 20+ wounded -- From *one* shooter. There is a difference, but both cases have to do with guns. TR> I see a photo of the present mayor of Chicago..Lori Lightfoot?....She TR> doesn't look smart enough to be in a cross walk with a green light by TR> herself! Let alone a `mayor' of anything! She has the look of another TR> one of those (like Hussein Obama) who got `affirmative actioned' TR> through law school...dopey! Why do you say that? Have you had dealings with her? Or are you just making a judgement based on the color of her skin? TR> You lefties either don't see that putting more and more restrictions TR> on firearms does nothing....or you deliberately intend to restrict the It can do something. The most egregious shootings are usually done with guns that have no purpose in civilian hands -- except to kill people. TR> ownership and possession of firearms so tightly as to eliminate the TR> meaning and spirit of the Constitution's Second Amendment. The spirit and meaning of the 2nd Amendmen's first words and purpose is "A well regulated Militia". So -- it could be interpreted as meaning that arms are intended for those in the National Guard or similar. Have you joined up there? TR> I know this won't ring any bells in the closed minds of any TR> lefties....but passing more and more restrictions on firearms....the TR> purchase and possession of ammunition....etc...only restricts law TR> abiding citizens. It doesn't stop criminals from getting firearms. Or TR> using them. Probably not, but most of the people who execute mass shootings were not criminals before that act. Gun control restrictions would restrict legitimate access to weapons of mass destruction, and might even deter illegitimate access to such. TR> All these restrictions and laws that come out after a horrendous TR> shooting only make that type of shooting far more likely, due to TR> potential shooters knowing in advance there will more than likely be TR> nobody at the place they choose to shoot up, with a firearm to oppose TR> them. Rubbish. These shooters do not care. They usually do not expect to live. And you cannot seriously be talking about equiping movie theater consession stand venders with guns and the training that should go with them. Dale Shipp fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net (1:261/1466) .... Shipwrecked on Hesperus in Columbia, Maryland. 01:50:14, 02 Sep 2019 ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- Maximus/NT 3.01 * Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466) .