Subj : Re: Trump failures Fake News! To : Dale Shipp From : Gregory Deyss Date : Mon Aug 26 2019 22:04:58 On 26 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following... DS> GD> Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump DS> GD> built? DS> DS> He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the DS> 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the DS> agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs. You should know me better then that, and you should of also known that know all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success story. Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals. DS> GD> Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to be DS> GD> locked and now closed to the pubic? DS> No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's DS> organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other DS> problems with it. There were no and undocumented workers in the Union (workforce) don't doubt me with that, but just in case you do, go on down to your local union hall and pop that question on them, see how that goes.... DS> GD> Are the building that bare his name no longer standing? DS> GD> No to all the above! DS> DS> But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama. This was nothing more then a property dispute you can read all about it here https://tinyurl.com/y2a86dl9 DS> And now for some of the things you did not mention: DS> Trump Airlines In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington, D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s, landing facilities in each of the three cities and the right to paint his name on an airplane. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures. But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new look) combined with high pre-Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc. DS> Trump the Game In 1989, the Donald teamed up with Milton Bradley to release Trump: The Game, a Monopolyesque board game in which three to four players must buy and sell real estate and try to trump one another in business deals. A year later Trump admitted the game was vastly underselling the predicted 2 million units he and the toy company had hoped for. Not one to abandon ideas, Trump revived the game 15 years later after his success on The Apprentice, making sure to incorporate the series catchphrase "You're Fired into the game. Other updated features included a sterner-looking Trump on the box cover, somewhat simpler rules and cards with business tips. DS> Trump Steak, yeah I saw the same link from time.com that you probably found. DS> GD> What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous? DS> GD> and also tell me why... DS> DS> The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and DS> businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will DS> be paying for them. I do not know if you understand the Trade issue even if you don't understand it, then that is fine no harm or foul, What I can't understand is why you think it's ok for the USA to get screwed with tariffs that are extremely lop sided, where foreign goods flow into the U.S. with a small tariff and American made goods have a very high tariff when being shipped into foreign lands.. You don't have to work on Wall Street to wrap your head around this one. Not when average every day Americans on Main Street understand that this is wrong and with this understanding also comes support for such an effort. This should be a nonpartisan issue. or Do you like the U.S. getting screwed because somehow you can blame this on Trump, so therefore it is worth it? I would say that would be un-American of you. I don't care how much you hate the President, but you should have a bit more respect for your country. DS> DS> Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers. The Chinese are playing dirty; they said that they would be taking more of the American product from American farmers and they want to and have backed out of the deal. How is that Trumps fault? DS> DS> His family separation policy for immigrants who come seeking the asylum DS> that USA law says they have the right to do. Here is the thing Dale. If you or I commit a crime, guess what? We will be separated from our families too. DS> DS> Correct -- show me where that has been said by any prominent Democrat. DS> It is just not true. DS> GD> that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become DS> GD> relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be DS> GD> nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also DS> DS> References please. Sure. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez read about it here https://tinyurl.com/y8crkd5c DS> GD> today, the needle is buried far left today, then it has ever has been DS> GD> before. Those ideals of that time have more in common with Republican DS> GD> views then the Democratic views of today. DS> DS> "Those days" were only about a half century ago. The Democrat party has DS> not changed that much since Lyndon Johnson. If you believe that, then there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell you. DS> GD> - They can't see or acknowledge how the economy is better then ever DS> GD> before. DS> You are partially right there, for now. The numbers during Trump's DS> presidency are not substantially better than the numbers during Obama's DS> presidency -- and seem to be getting worse, not better. Trumps so called bad days will never be as bad or as worse then Obama's. because the Press (media) was not a bunch of attack dogs as they are with Trump. Why do you think that is? Simple because they are sleeping in the same bed as the Democrats and have been for quite a while. DS> GD> They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy DS> GD> are now back. DS> DS> Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it DS> has happened. It's True read all about it here. https://tinyurl.com/y3nze4v8 --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Windows/64) * Origin: Capital Station BBS * telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org * (1:267/150) .