Subj : Re: Neuralink
To   : Andeddu
From : Dennisk
Date : Mon Aug 24 2020 22:09:00

-=> Andeddu wrote to Boraxman <=-

 An>   Re: Re: Neuralink
 An>   By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Sat Aug 22 2020 01:43 pm

 > Anddedu, you are such a confused individual.  I don't know how your brain
 > holds itself together.
 >
 > All totalitarian regimes enforce a status quo, and want a stable society
 > that takes no risks (to upset the status quo).
 >
 > You are LITERALLY advocating totalitarian dictatorship, and then, at the
 > same time, wanting to avoid conflict.
 >
 > So you want dicatorships, but will pathologise any individuals or nations,
 > that won't succumb, and blame THEM for violence, if they resist
 > enslavement!!
 >
 > My God man!!!!

 An> I have spoken earlier about this. In order to achieve a totalitarian
 An> state, whether benevolant or not, there will have to be a transitional
 An> period. This transitional period will be a period of crisis and
 An> conflict followed by normalisation of the new way of life, which is
 An> dictated by the new regime.

 An> I am not advocating anything by the way... I am merely discussing ideas
 An> in relation to difficult questions. I don't consider myself right or
 An> wrong - it's just a debate on ideological beliefs regarding economic,
 An> political and social systems.

You do realise that a fascist state is being assembled right now, as we speak? 
And their desire is to have people conforming according to their ideals of what
is right, and what people need to do to ensure tranquility and a good future
(as they see it).

What you are advocating is happening right now.

Your problem is that you believe that you have to force people into it, that
good behaviour comes through control and power from above.  That never lasts.

I'm not disagreeing with the end goal of a peaceful, benevolent society.  I'm
suggesting that the way humans THINK you get there is wrong.  The solution is
actually counter-intuitive.  This is why revolutions and attempts at utopia
fail.  People try to enforce what they think is good, and they think if you
espouse good ideas, you get good results.

But that is NOT how the world works.  You do not get tolerance by making people
tolerance.  You don't get cohesiveness by punishing those who dissent.  You
don't get co-existance of the races, by pushing diversity and inclusivity. 
People who say things which sound nice, lead us towards disaster.

What you need to do, is look at creating the CONDITIONS which make people
content, happy, more tolerant and more easy going.  And you do that not by
pusing Political Correctness or Tolerance, or morals, but by creating good
living conditions.  Look at empowering people.  Look at giving people the right
to think and speak.  Look at wealth equality and a system of property rights
which is just and fair.  Remove corruption (that is a BIG one).  These things
actually need force, power, and strong people, and antagonism to bring about. 
And perhaps we need a hardness, a level of intolerance, a level of hate against
that which we should hate.  Hate can be good if it removes evil.  Intolerance
can be good if it doesn't tolerance corruption.  Exclusion can be good if it
keeps society cohesive and intact.  Competition is good if it creates material
wealth.

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