Subj : Re: The Fourth Industrial
To   : Dennisk
From : Atroxi
Date : Tue Aug 18 2020 21:50:00

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 De> I think a way around the UBI, is if automation is in place, then the
 De> nation is also a part of the member organisation, and also bears
 De> responsibility for inputs, and is part owner of the product.  We would
 De> collectively own a share of everything produced by automation, because
 De> it is our automation doing it.

 At> Yeah, I could see why that would work. Collective ownership, that is
 At> also practiced not just in paper, helps in dealing with an automated
 At> future (to be honest, it would also help now).

 De> It could solve quite a few problems.  Workers would not vote to
 De> offshore their jobs.  They would not vote for companies to engage in
 De> "Woke Politics", or many of the other things that companies do, that is
 De> not in the interests of anyone. People engaged in the company would now
 De> have a right to say what the company represents.  One of the awful,
 De> awful things that companies do, is they state they stand for this or
 De> that, but in reality, its just the opinion of a few in PR, and not the
 De> opinion of all those that keep the company going.

 At> Yup, exactly. It's quite disgusting to see that actually, anything they
 At> touch dilutes, loses its meaning and becomes nothing but fodder for the
 At> marketing engine.

 De> IT wouldn't be so bad if it were confined just to the office, but
 De> people in management new view themselves not just as managers of a
 De> productive task, but life coaches and people responsible for shaping
 De> society.  The corporate world views itself as a replacement for Church.

 At> Any big company nowadays goes around espousing that they value this or
 At> they value that and that they stand for this or they stand for that. I
 At> think they are already the church for most people especially with how
 At> prevalent they are in places where people usually access information.
 At> Sadly, they are a church whose words, and oftentimes only words, are
 At> motivated by how much profit they are projected to get from their
 At> "userbase" in the next quarter.

 At> I don't know if this was real or just an edited picture but I saw once
 At> a picture of someone on stage of what I assume to be a facebook
 At> conference, mostly due to the font choice in the slide shown. Either
 At> way, it stated:

 At> "Turn customers into fanatics
 At> Products into obsessions
 At> Employees to ambassadors
 At> and brands into religions."

 At> And so they did.

 De> I would have no trouble at all believing that slide was real.  I've
 De> personally heard similar things myself, and many companies want to
 De> emulate Silicon Valley.
 De>  That kind of thinking is very much in line with how people who manage
 De> companies think.

 De> You are spot on with stating that companies are like a church, and they
 De> are taking advantage of this.  I'm not even sure that company profit is
 De> even the core goal, I think it may more be self-aggrandisement and more
 De> individal, self-serving goals.

This is just plain scary. There is nothing more terrifying than an institution
bloated with hubris and has an ability to realize its self-serving desires.
Every day I wake up, I feel like the world is getting closer and closer to a
Blade Runner-esque dystopic future.

 De> The discussion of values should be left to the philosophers in society.
 De>  IT doesn't bode well at all for us that it is now formulated by execs.

Exactly. I couldn't agree more on that. 

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