Subj : Re: Neuralink
To   : Andeddu
From : Dennisk
Date : Thu Aug 20 2020 22:07:00

-=> Andeddu wrote to Dennisk <=-

 An>   Re: Re: Neuralink
 An>   By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Wed Aug 19 2020 10:16 pm

 > Perhaps, though I worry that a world with no suffering won't last.  I'm not
 > saying that people should be made to suffer, but adversity, hardship,
 > struggle does make people better.  Wealth and prosperity seems to ruin
 > people.  People have banded together in times of trouble, and shared
 > struggle does seem to be able to bring out good in people.
 >
 > Should we make a live worth living?  Absolutely, but we shouldn't think that
 > it can be done just be removing negative stimuli.  We need meaning, purpose,
 > to be able to interact and know the REAL work.  We want lives with meaning,
 > purpose, severity and gravitas.  A live eating and sitting comfortably with
 > all the entertainment you want is not fulfilling.  We want, and need, to
 > exercise the full range of human ability, to be a power and a part of
 > something, where our lifes energy shapes something lasting and important.
 >
 > I would much rather a world where I can work with meaning, where I can live
 > honest and true to myself, and be able to express myself freely and debate.
 > Even if that involves competition, struggling and coming against others,
 > there is a purpose.  A world which is controlled for comfort cannot allow
 > that.  No longer will humans be able to shape the world, impress themselves
 > on it and affect it, shape it, debate and express themselves.  They will
 > have to fit a mould, be moulded, and never brush up and push against the
 > narrow path.  Despite the physical comfort, the lack of "racism", this I
 > think would make people depressed, a life, while comfortable, has no point
 > at all.  Lifes energy going nowhere.

 An> I believe we are a long way off a world with no physical/mental
 An> adversity. I understand that going though hardship can create
 An> character, which in turn can create a better person. There are,
 An> however, a huge number of truly awful people who think nothing of
 An> causing harm to others. I know this is also a problem with our judicial
 An> system, as it doesn't appear to deter deplorable and heinous acts.

 An> Sam Harris talks of a world where there is no human caused suffering.
 An> In order to make such a world possible, one would be incapable of
 An> causing unnecessary harm to another person/creatre. Perhaps something
 An> like gene manipulation could work in the future... from what I know,
 An> empathy (although still does not prevent a person from killing another
 An> person) can mitigate the desire in a person to cause harm/suffering to
 An> another. A high empathy population would proper, I believe, and would
 An> be as close to a humane (and free-willed) utopian society as I can
 An> imagine.

Yes, there are a lot of harmful people, who want to control us, dominate us,
screw us over.  That is why I object to social engineering, to having someone
with authority dicate what we can do, how we should think, engineer us, because
far, far, far more likely than not, the person who will get to decide how we
should go "forward" will be one of these self-serving assholes.  And they may
not come accross that way.  They may come accross as professional, smiley,
seemingly rational and selfless.

You are talking of engineering people.  I'm saying that if we think we should
be engineered, the worst of society will do the engineering.  The people who
want to do "good" are often the worst.  Some of the nastiest people I've met,
are people who claim to fight for minorities and the underclass, etc. 
Anti-racism is hateful.  Inclusion is just discimination by another name.

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