Subj : Re: Neuralink
To   : Andeddu
From : Dennisk
Date : Wed Aug 19 2020 22:16:00

-=> Andeddu wrote to Dennisk <=-

 An>   Re: Re: Neuralink
 An>   By: Dennisk to Moondog on Tue Aug 18 2020 09:14 pm

 > The reason that I think these implants are dumb ideas, is because the person
 > making the idea lacks self-awareness and understanding of the human
 > conditions.
 >  Our problems aren't information, knowledge, they are behavioural, and
 > people promote things for self serving interests, INCLUDING ideas such as
 > implants and dictatorships of the benevolent.  Everyone who imagines a
 > utopia, imagines one as per THEIR model. So it is automatically oppressive,
 > because it is person X who is imposing THEIR vision on us all.  I for
 > example, want to live in a world where different peoples still exist, where
 > nations DO favour their own over others and resist homogenisation.  I'm for
 > the powerfull bucking social and moral trends (as long as they don't
 > complete power), for struggle, conflict, antagonism.  Maybe, just maybe some
 > people with 'deplorable' views are actually holding views that make our
 > world better, but we are too prejudiced to see it.  The existence of that
 > antagonism is good, as long as there is balance.
 >
 > Development of a human being needs discipline, limits and self-awareness.
 > Our world would be a better place when people learn to control themselves,
 > manage themselves, overcome themselves.  A soft life doesn't do that.

 An> Sam Harris posits that suffering is the only thing we can say is
 An> objectively bad. A world with LESS suffering is objectively better than
 An> a world with MORE suffering. Although basic, I think he's right.

Perhaps, though I worry that a world with no suffering won't last.  I'm not
saying that people should be made to suffer, but adversity, hardship, struggle
does make people better.  Wealth and prosperity seems to ruin people.  People
have banded together in times of trouble, and shared struggle does seem to be
able to bring out good in people.

Should we make a live worth living?  Absolutely, but we shouldn't think that it
can be done just be removing negative stimuli.  We need meaning, purpose, to be
able to interact and know the REAL work.  We want lives with meaning, purpose,
severity and gravitas.  A live eating and sitting comfortably with all the
entertainment you want is not fulfilling.  We want, and need, to exercise the
full range of human ability, to be a power and a part of something, where our
lifes energy shapes something lasting and important.

I would much rather a world where I can work with meaning, where I can live
honest and true to myself, and be able to express myself freely and debate. 
Even if that involves competition, struggling and coming against others, there
is a purpose.  A world which is controlled for comfort cannot allow that.  No
longer will humans be able to shape the world, impress themselves on it and
affect it, shape it, debate and express themselves.  They will have to fit a
mould, be moulded, and never brush up and push against the narrow path. 
Despite the physical comfort, the lack of "racism", this I think would make
people depressed, a life, while comfortable, has no point at all.  Lifes energy
going nowhere.


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