Subj : Recession to Depression
To   : Boraxman
From : Ogg
Date : Mon Jul 18 2022 08:44:00

Hello Boraxman!

** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 14:38, Boraxman wrote to Andeddu:

 B> The problem as I see it, is that we are stuck with old
 B> ideas and cannot imagine any change.  Economically, the
 B> debate seems stuck between "Capitalism" and "Socialism" (at
 B> least Socialism as envisaged by Marxist/Statists) and we
 B> think that we have to choose between the two.  We can't
 B> imagine any new system or new novel ways of looking at
 B> property rights, or carrying on the evolution of our
 B> economic system further. Everything is petty.  UBI changes
 B> nothing.  Stakeholder Capitalism is just the same old
 B> system with a new face.  Politically we are stuck again
 B> with old ideas.  Nothing really new, except for maybe the
 B> SJW's, but that really is just rehashed Christian guilt.

[...]

 B> We need something like a new Enlightenment.  One isn't
 B> coming.

Not many people think in terms of when enough is enough.

Sounds like there are some interesting thoughts by these  
people:

[o] The Future is Degrowth: A Guide to a World Beyond  
Capitalism | Paperback

Matthias Schmelzer | Andrea Vetter | Aaron Vansintjan
Verso Books | Verso
Political Science / Political Economy / Public Policy - Environmental Policy / History & Theory
Published Jun 28, 2022

"This book provides a vision for postcapitalism beyond growth.  
Building on a vibrant field of research, it discusses the  
political economy and the politics of a non-growing economy. It  
charts a path forward through policies that democratise the  
economy, "now-topias" that create free spaces for  
experimentation, and counter-hegemonic movements that make it  
possible to break with the logic of growth. Degrowth  
perspectives offer a way to step off the treadmill of an  
alienating, expansionist, and hierarchical system."

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