Subj : Re: Recession to Depressi
To   : Andeddu
From : Moondog
Date : Sun Jul 17 2022 22:39:00

  Re: Re: Recession to Depressi
  By: Andeddu to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 05:17 pm

 >   Re: Re: Recession to Depression
 >   By: Boraxman to Andeddu on Sat Jul 16 2022 02:38 pm
 > 
 >  > Revolution doesn't mean revolutionary thought.  We could have a "revoluti
 >  > where Marxist-Communists take over.  That is old thought.
 >  >
 >  > The problem as I see it, is that we are stuck with old ideas and cannot
 >  > imagine any change.  Economically, the debate seems stuck between
 >  > "Capitalism" and "Socialism" (at least Socialism as envisaged by
 >  > Marxist/Statists) and we think that we have to choose between the two.  W
 >  > can't imagine any new system or new novel ways of looking at property
 >  > rights, or carrying on the evolution of our economic system further.
 >  > Everything is petty.  UBI changes nothing.  Stakeholder Capitalism is jus
 >  > the same old system with a new face.  Politically we are stuck again with
 >  > old ideas.  Nothing really new, except for maybe the SJW's, but that real
 >  > is just rehashed Christian guilt.
 >  >
 >  > We're looking at all these problems, and can't think of any new direction
 >  > go in to solve them.  We cant imagine anything outside the
 >  > "Capitalism/Communism" dichotomy, so we are limited by that.  We can't
 >  > imagine anything oustide of "Liberalism/Conservatism", so we are limited 
 >  > that.
 >  >
 >  > We need something like a new Enlightenment.  One isn't coming.
 > 
 > I don't disagree but I see Capitalism/Communism as two sides of the same sys
 > with us presently in the phase where Eastern Communism merges with Western
 > Capitalism which will be destined to collapse into the new world system.
 > 
 > There will always be the haves and the have nots, elites and non-elites. Thi
 > will occur in all systems old or new which have been authorised for our use.
 > 

That is why the concept of equal opportunity is now considered a bad thing. 
If two people  are in a container filling with water and there is a ladder
providing a way out, it is not guaranteed both will choose to climb the
ladder.  Some start out in deeper water than others, then say the system was
stacked against them.  Unless someone was blocking the ladder, it is hard to
excuse drowning.

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