Subj : Re: Recession to Depression
To   : Andeddu
From : Boraxman
Date : Mon Jul 18 2022 09:05:38

  Re: Re: Recession to Depression
  By: Andeddu to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 05:17 pm

 >  > Revolution doesn't mean revolutionary thought.  We could have a
 >  > "revolution" where Marxist-Communists take over.  That is old thought.
 >
 >  > The problem as I see it, is that we are stuck with old ideas and cannot
 >  > imagine any change.  Economically, the debate seems stuck between
 >  > "Capitalism" and "Socialism" (at least Socialism as envisaged by
 >  > Marxist/Statists) and we think that we have to choose between the two.
 >  > We can't imagine any new system or new novel ways of looking at property
 >  > rights, or carrying on the evolution of our economic system further.
 >  > Everything is petty.  UBI changes nothing.  Stakeholder Capitalism is
 >  > just the same old system with a new face.  Politically we are stuck again
 >  > with old ideas.  Nothing really new, except for maybe the SJW's, but that
 >  > really is just rehashed Christian guilt.
 >
 >  > We're looking at all these problems, and can't think of any new direction
 >  > to go in to solve them.  We cant imagine anything outside the
 >  > "Capitalism/Communism" dichotomy, so we are limited by that.  We can't
 >  > imagine anything oustide of "Liberalism/Conservatism", so we are limited
 >  > by that.
 >
 >  > We need something like a new Enlightenment.  One isn't coming.
 >
 > I don't disagree but I see Capitalism/Communism as two sides of the same
 > system with us presently in the phase where Eastern Communism merges with
 > Western Capitalism which will be destined to collapse into the new world
 > system.
 >
 > There will always be the haves and the have nots, elites and non-elites.
 > This will occur in all systems old or new which have been authorised for our
 > use.
 >

Agreed.  The story of Western Development is greater autonomy and self-ownership.  Capitalism is the half-way step towards true economic liberation.  Marxism has been the 'dead end' that we've been following, where we put the state in place of 'the people'.

The ironic thing is, my biggest problem with Capitalists, is they are SCARED of true economic freedom and strong property rights.

All too often, Capitalists speak as if they want to hand power to the select few.  Communists and Capitalists just differ in who should have that power, but when Capital holders and the state align, that point becomes moot.

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