Subj : Great Replacement Theory
To   : Moondog
From : Boraxman
Date : Wed Jun 01 2022 21:04:00

-=> Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-

 Mo>   Re: Great Replacement Theory
 Mo>   By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Mon May 30 2022 09:51 pm

 > -=> Kaelon wrote to Boraxman <=-
 >
 >  Ka> I think that if you are proposing creating a new state, one organized
 >  Ka> around racial principles, you have to contend with the very
 >  Ka> "recognition and reconciliation" that you cite that many on the Right
 >  Ka> are unwilling to contend with.  Without this, much of what you aspire
 >  Ka> to create - a mono-racial or mono-cultural state - is reliant upon the
 >  Ka> moral rights of the people who have been exploited to create it (such
 >  Ka> as the aboriginal peoples of Australia).  There is also the
 >  Ka> inconvenient truth that, both culturally and racially, virtually all
 >  Ka> peoples in the world are now diverse, and so, you would be imprinting
 >  Ka> some sort of new or fictitious identity.  This is not without
 >  Ka> complication, or eventual exposure.
 >
 > This is nonsensical.  No one is seeking to "create" anything, but rather to
 > STOP a process.
 >
 >  Ka> I would agree that migration policies stem from the need for
 >  Ka> demographic change, but I disagree that there is some sort of grand
 >  Ka> racialist conspiracy the likes of which "Great Replacement" theory (a
 >  Ka> la Renaud and the like) is at work here.  It's far simpler: countries,
 >  Ka> as modern nation-states, succeed or fail largely due to geopolitical
 >  Ka> factors, namely, the land on which people inhabit, and the people
 >  Ka> themselves.  It comes down to raw resources and sheer numbers.  The
 >  Ka> Third Reich might have triumphed in the Second World War, had it not
 >  Ka> been vastly outnumbered by the Soviet Russians, who were able to
 >  Ka> sacrifice over 100 million people to defeat them.  It is also for this
 >  Ka> very reason why countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark,
 >  Ka> have no valid recourse given their limited geopolitical constraints,
 >  Ka> other than to be the pawns of greater powers.
 >
 > The Third Reich would never have triumphed long term because it was based on
 > Great Man (figuratively speaking) and had an unsustainable ideology.
 >
 > The Third Reich was primarily about the party, not the "race".  You would fi
 > yourself in a concentration camp much much faster if you were speaking again
 > the regime, than if you were married to a black person.
 >
 > The narrative that the war/fight was about racism is a post-hoc rationalise
 > the West to justify demographic changes by leadership.  No one back then was
 > stupid enough to conflate the Nazi's specific racial ideas with restricted
 > immigration.  That confusion, which you are spreading, came later.
 >
 > At what point do the British or French get to say that immigration should be
 > curtailed?  When they are less then 50%, 40%, 30%?
 >

 Mo> The "big lie" the Reich was built upon was based on blaming the
 Mo> nation's problems on minority groups with obvious or strong presence.
 Mo> Conspiracy that external ethnic and religious groups were there to
 Mo> contaminate their culture and destroy the nation from the inside.

Jews specifically, then Slavs.  They didn't blame everyone who wasn't German.

Scapegoats are commonly used, but the fact that they used a "race" as a
scapegoat is of secondary importance.  They could have used "Communists" (they
did), or "liberals", or even "white nationalists" or "racists" or
"conservatives" as their scapegoat.  The only thing that matters is it serves
their end goals.

Communists had their scapegoats.  They blamed "wreckers" and "counter
revolutionaries" and killed millions for their failings.  Stalin killed more
than Hitler after all.  Mao as well.

Our mistake is thinking that any expression of self interest will lead to
scapegoating, which is a misunderstanding of power politics.  The danger isn't
self-interest, the danger is bad ideology.  
 
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