Subj : Great Replacement Theory To : Kaelon From : Boraxman Date : Sun May 29 2022 16:52:00 -=> Kaelon wrote to Boraxman <=- Ka> @MSGID: <62925FD0.59800.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net> Ka> @REPLY: <6291E3FA.23210.dove-deb@bbs.mozysswamp.org> Ka> Re: Great Replacement Theory Ka> By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Ka> Sat May 28 2022 06:55 pm > By the way, the Arab world was imperialistic, as were the Mongols, and if > you think that the first nations of Australia, America, or the peoples in > Sub-Saharan Africa lived in peace and harmony, you have a skewed view of > history. They didn't attain the same level of imperialism not because of > their virtues, but lack of technical capacity to do so. Ka> All civilizations engage in imperialism as a natural part of their Ka> social, economic, and political expression. There are very few Ka> exceptions of inherently passive or pacifist populations (because most Ka> if not all of them were subjugated, assimilated, or annihilated). Ka> However, there is always cause-and-effect, and the Umayyad and Abbasid Ka> Caliphates paid dearly for their expansion across the world in the form Ka> of countless Crusades that ended their empires, and since the collapse Ka> of the Ottoman Hegemony in the 1600s, widespread subjugation, Ka> colonization, and global interference - from League of Nations mandates Ka> to modern day United Nations peacekeeping operations. Ka> Europe, by and large, is still dealing with the consequences of its Ka> colonization of Africa, which as I mentioned elsewhere, only Ka> effectively terminated in the 1960s. If you've read Douglas C. North's Ka> "Institutions, Institutional Change, and Economic Performance" Ka> (strongly recommended, if you haven't), you can appreciate that in Ka> order for new organizational stability to emerge, institutional Ka> predictability requires at least 2-3 generations to resolve outstanding Ka> political, economic, and social issues. Europe has another 10-25 years Ka> to contend with before these matters become clearer, and the European Ka> Union and its fate will factor largely in the emergence of a true Ka> Pan-European Identity, but so far, the picture looks mixed, at best. Agreed, and we are still yet to come to terms with the blowback. The ruling classes need for power, expansion and prestige in the long run seems zero sum. Thank you for the recommendation, and despite my objections against a system of one one free flow of people, that doesn't also come with a blindness to problems that "we" have created, and the follies and blowback from our own (speaking for the modern Wests here), misadventures and crimes. There are many on the right who want to shut down any recognition or reconciliation, which is not something I subscribe to. While I personally (and most others) are not personally guilty, we need to acknowledge the flaws in our own systems, which still exist to a large degree. We are STILL imperialistic and supremacist, still plundering the 'global south', but doing it in a different manner so we can pretend we are no longer racist or unenlightened. But, this reckoning should not come at a demographic costs. Such costs are permanent, long lasting and punitive on future generations, and unlike many who wax lyrical about a future "mixed" world, I think such fantasies are folly, and mostly deleterious. It is one thing to ask a people to rightfully compensate those who have been wronged, but I beleive, quite firmly, that the primary motives for demographic change are 1) exploitation of the population as "human capital" and 2) a desire for revenge, or "an eye for an eye". If addresssing the inequties of the past and present was done in a manner which did not post an existential threat to peoples, I think we'd get more consensus and understanding on the matter and make futher progress. As it is now, people are, rightfully, seeing those who want to address issues of colonialism, etc, as enemies, precisely because they position themselves as such. --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52 þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org .