Subj : Great Replacement Theory To : Kaelon From : Boraxman Date : Sun May 29 2022 16:39:00 -=> Kaelon wrote to Boraxman <=- Ka> @MSGID: <62925E64.59799.dove-deb@vert.synchro.net> Ka> @REPLY: <6291E3FA.23209.dove-deb@bbs.mozysswamp.org> Ka> Re: Great Replacement Theory Ka> By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Ka> Sat May 28 2022 06:50 pm > Now you are resorting to name-calling?? It was only a matter of time before > you trotted out that old canard. Ka> Firstly, it's not "name-calling" to accurately describe what you are Ka> openly describing - preferring people of one race to the people of Ka> another race, or creating policies that advance the primacy of one Ka> racial group at the expense of another - as a "racialist" or "racist" Ka> policy. I am not ascribing moral value to racism, but I think it's Ka> important to understand that, unless if you establish an autoarky in Ka> your economic system and effectively can close yourself off from the Ka> rest of the world, a racialist policy in how you manage your population Ka> has wide-ranging demographic and diplomatic implications. Ka> I will also say that to have a genuine discussion about the underlying Ka> social, economic, and political causes of immigration, one has to Ka> frankly understand and discuss the nuances of the policies and Ka> practices of the State that have led to the circumstance where it Ka> becomes anywhere from permissive of to reliant upon foreign populations Ka> in order to function. Ka> You seem to rant about foreign populations in your country - whatever Ka> the case may be - without acknowledging or being interested in Ka> discussing the factors and complicity of your own country and its Ka> people in creating the circumstances that led these foreign populations Ka> to your shores to begin with. You're trotting out nativist tropes like Ka> "we're being forced to open our borders" (by whom? why?). The truth is Ka> often times messier and far less convenient. You have foreigners in Ka> your country because your political and economic leaders need them. Ka> And things aren't changing because your view, frankly, is in the Ka> minority. Ka> I suggested a few basic tracks that could help change the nature of the Ka> conversation: improve the birth rate of your population, ensure that Ka> your neighbors are successful and prosperous states, and create a Ka> better regime of assimilation and integration in order to prevent Ka> foreign populations from effectively dilluting your national identity. Ka> But you don't seem interested in discussing the specifics here, and Ka> just want to villainize people for being in your country. Ka> I am 99.8% Caucasian, by the way, so I am not exactly advancing a Ka> non-White view here, given that I am White myself and generally Ka> privileged anywhere in the Western World. I am, however, acknowldging Ka> that a nativist and racialist perspective often does not appreciate a Ka> sense of accountability or ownership for the creation of the current Ka> circumstance. And in your country, there are policies and practices in Ka> place that require an under-class of foreigners to properly service Ka> your demographic and economic needs. Simply put. _____ The "preference" you are alluding to is common the world over. You are trying to pathologise it, by using loaded language such as "racialism" and the like. Your argument rests upon an assumption that humans either have no inbuilt preference, or that any preference they may have is wrong. The issue with this is that all peoples of the world, for the most part, there are exceptions, have an interest in their own culture, their own community, their own nation. That nation may not be the nation-state, but to suggest the Han Chinese, Jews, Punjabis, Kurds, Maoris, Australian Aboriginals have no higher motive or instinct to protect their own above others is just odd and flies in the face of what we observe. This is as absurd as suggesting that it is 'nepotistic' (or insert some other loaded smear-term) for me to be more concerned about my childrens future than some randon children in my suburb, let another another city, nation or continent. Calling such common, understandable and acknowledged preferences "racialist" or "racist" is an argumentative tactic used to pathologise, specifically for one people, that which is understood as normal elsewhere in order to support morally dubious ideologies. Secondly, the discussion about birtrate, colonialism, and the other issues that you brought up are worthy of nuanced discussion, but not now. The reason being is that while we may agree more than you realise on the analysis of these, it is *specifically* their use as justification for mass immigration. We know they are used as justifications for this, because they are always brought up, just as you decided to bring them up. They are standard "talking points". To change the nature of the conversation, as you desired, is to draw discussion away from the central point, which is whether it is morally problematic or not, to enact, support and by certain means, entrench policies and practicies which jeaopardize an identifable group. My view is simple. That is immoral. It is immoral to use this as a "solution" to a problem, whether it is the "race" problem, the "birthrate" problem or the "colonialism" problem. This is not about evading responsibility, it is about taking responsibility. The policies which, as you say, "require an under-class of foreigners to properly service your demographic and economic needs" are just as much a problem as any other. Such policies and practices are not ones I agree with. The need for the Capitalist machine to bring in a constant supply of labour is not something I support, nor do I support exploitation, or, as you allude to, some type of racial supremacy. Such practices always backfire, and yes, we DO bear responsibility, but we must face up to what we are doing. I don't think moaning about "colonialism" and the degradation of other nations while simultaneously arguing that it doesn't matter if they ARE degraded is useful. --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52 þ Synchronet þ MS & RD BBs - bbs.mozysswamp.org .