Subj : Great Replacement Theory
To   : Kaelon
From : Arelor
Date : Thu May 26 2022 13:39:59

  Re: Great Replacement Theory
  By: Kaelon to Boraxman on Wed May 25 2022 03:18 pm

 > I go on business every month to Europe and Australia, and for over 30 years been traveling to Spain and France to visit family and friends.  Europe has, at best, a mixed bag with assimilatin
 > populations; there is an uneven melting pot. Case in point: France, though being complicit as an Imperial power in Africa (see, especially, Algeria), has imposed cultural and legal restricti
 > on immigrants (such as the headscarf ban, schooling mandates) without also providing them with economic assistance and opportunity (such as language and skills training) that it has, in the
 > case of Marseilles, created a parallel society of un-integrated foreigners who are French-people in waiting.  In contrast, Spain's integration of Moroccans into Andalusia is very American in
 > its melting-pot style approach.
 > 

I can't talk much about France, but regarding integration of Moroccans into Andaluc¡a...

The areas with the most Moroccans tend to be the areas where people votes the most for parties with anti-immigration programs. This alone suggests integration is not going that well. The
Barcelona area is turning to Detroit-lite because ethnic gangs have started mugging people in broad daylight after they started soaking immigrants in without a plan as to what to do with them.

Meanwhile, areas with Russian immigrants don't have anti-Russian parties claiming for them to be kicked out despite the fact many of those Russians are NOT trying to integrate (living in
Russian neighbourhoods and villages, to the point you would say some towns are Russian).

I personally think integration is overhyped. What a lot of people seems to want from immigrants is to come in, forget their culture and adopt the local customes. I think that for a lot of
groups that is just not going to happen. In fact, wanting that to happen is anti-diverse (ie. if you want to import Moroccans and strip their culture away from them so they are just
Spaniards you are a modern day colonialist imposing your culture on others).

The ironic thing is that many African immigrants come with ideas that are unnaceptable by Spanish standards, such as partaking in genital mutilation. In order for them to fit in you have to
engineer them and turn them into something they are currently not.

On the other hand, I cannot think of clear examples that made Irish, Italian and Polish immigrants unnaceptable to American Standards. Meanwhile, a Spaniard would not be an acceptable immigrant
for Saudi Arabia because the first thing a Spaniard would do is try to produce beer in some cellar, which for Arab authorities is a very unacceptable breach of social manners. In fact they tend
to confine Spaniards into special camps over there.

My point is that some cultures and worldwiews are compatible and others are not. It is easy to brag that your nation is importing Italians successfully without issues when Italians are similar
to your own culture. However, if you want to get people impressed you will have to import people with very  divergent values (such as cultures who partake in arranged marriages, imposed class
systems, feudal policies, ritual mutilation and so on). I bet you won't be able to, and if you do, it would be by turning those people into something else...


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