Subj : Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Pedro
To   : Tracker1
From : Boraxman
Date : Sat Apr 16 2022 16:38:00

-=> Tracker1 wrote to Boraxman <=-

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 Tr> On 4/14/22 18:34, Boraxman wrote:
 >
 > There is something inheritly unsustabinable about an economy that relies on
 > perpetual immigration.  Companies talk about "sustainability", but then rely
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 > a constant influx of migrants.
 >
 > Not every country can be a net migrant sink, so this to me seems to smack of
 > Western supremacy.  *WE* are the best countries, and the normal mode of
 > operation for the world is for the rest of the world to move to us, to power
 > our economies for our riches and wealth.
 >
 > Frankly, I find the position of the anti-immigrationists less racist.

 Tr> You're arguing against a stance I didn't make... I said immigration
 Tr> should be based largely around the questions "Where are you going to
 Tr> live?" and "How are you going to pay for it?" ... That approach is
 Tr> inherently sustainable in terms of immigration policy.

I didn't specifically said you made it, only that is a common argument.  More
often than not, by a large margin, justifications for immigration means
justifications for mass immigration.  Those who argue for immigration only when
absolutely necessary, are few and far between, and castigated as bigots and
xenophobes.

Immigration should be based on "do we want to make you a member of our nation".
 The question "where are you going to live" or "will you benefit us
economically" are secondary.  We, as the host nation, are making an invitation
for someone to join our nation.  They should *also* do so without being a
burden, though in some cases, such as asylum seekers and refugees, we would
tolerate some degree of burden.

Westerners treat immigration purely from the immigrants point of view, and from
an economic point of view, not from a societal or national point of view.  When
it is framed in terms of what is good for the person coming here, we put
ourselves second, second over foreigners.

I'll repeat, I don't care of the person coming here CAN pay their own way. 
That doesn't make them suitable, especially if it involves large numbers who
would change my nation into something else.

Londoners have been replaced in their own city, simply by accepting the premise
that we need some skills, that we should allow people for an economic benefit,
that they can pay their own way, etc.
 
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