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To   : Arelor
From : Boraxman
Date : Fri Apr 15 2022 11:45:00

-=> Arelor wrote to Boraxman <=-
 > A nation isn't a "workforce".  This idea imposed on us by our "ruling elite"
 > that our compatriots are exchangeable labour units is dehumanising and
 > nationally destructive.
 >
 > Bringing in "labour" en masse is always short-sighted and foolish.  An
 > immediate gain for a long term cost.  To the business owner, it makes sense,
 > but to the long term prospects of the nation, not so much.
 >
 > There is a reason China and Japan don't go down this path, and why these
 > nations will outlast Western Capitalists nations that do.
 > /
 >

 Ar> Well, here is the thing:

 Ar> Take some utterly stupid moronic Western country. I will take Spain,
 Ar> for no particular reason.

 Ar> Spain has been spending heavy loads of stolen tax money into making
 Ar> higher education available for everybody. As a result we have plenty
 Ar> people with Engineering degrees plowing potato fields, because we have
 Ar> more Engineers than we need.

 Ar> People has this tendency to feel like useless crap when they have gone
 Ar> through 2 years of HS Tech Studies + 5 years of College only to end up
 Ar> picking potatoes. If they manage to score a job, that's it. Of course,
 Ar> the problem is we over-produced degreed people, but now Spain has the
 Ar> problem that it has too many Engineers and nothing to do with them.

 Ar> Now let's say there is a country with a defficit in Engineers. Let's
 Ar> call it Horseistan. If a saddle manufacturer in Horseistan needs an
 Ar> Engineer for his factory and there are no local Engineers for the grab,
 Ar> he needs to hire a non local Engineer. He may as well try his luck
 Ar> posting an advertisement in some Spanish platform for job seekers.

 Ar> There are 2 scenarios:

 Ar> 1) Horseistan is a Nazi country and won't allow foreigner workers to
 Ar> move in. Therefore the saddle factory becomes impractical to operate
 Ar> and the manufacturer ends up moving the manufacturing offshore to a
 Ar> place where he can get qualificated workers. Hint: this is very very
 Ar> bad.

 Ar> 2) Horseistan is a non-Nazi country and a Spanish Engineer can move in.
 Ar> The Spanish Engineer is happy because he is no longer useless crap. The
 Ar> manufacturer is happy because he does not have to move the whole
 Ar> operation over. Hint: This is good. Spanish Socialists are angry
 Ar> because they spent many $$$$$ in order to educate an Engineer so he
 Ar> could over tax the crap out of him, and now they can't because he
 Ar> escaped their reach. Hint 2: this is even better.

 Ar> The only issue I may have with (small "l") liberal immigration policies
 Ar> is that you could flood the local market with foreigner workers. Pretty
 Ar> much the reason why finding a Spanish hooker is getting harder, because
 Ar> Nigerians are taking over :-( I don't generally find this to be much of
 Ar> a problem because you only get this sort of influx when you are really
 Ar> short of workers for a given sector. It is when you allow people to
 Ar> come in without a job that they arrive and have to undercut existing
 Ar> industries' wages, which is bad for the locals.

All Western countries are moronic now.  They are moronic because they have
become lazy, entitled and want to rely on eating away their social capital to
provide "consumers" with shiny rubbish and to support the grifting of moochers
and economic parasites.  We feel entitled to success, and the state rigs the
system so we always win.

What you are talking about, is entitlement, the Engineering student being
"entitled" to a job they want.  The company being "entitled" to labour.

The whole issue I have with your scenario, is that we are still dealing with
entitlement.  Horseistanians must accept mass migration, the dissolution of
literally centuries of national identity, so some entrepreneur can make some
money.  They must do this so some Spanish engineer can get the job they *want*
instead if reskill.

I just don't buy the argument.  They try the same rubbish in Australia to
justify mass migration.  Oh, we don't have 'skilled' people they claim. 
Rubbish.  The economy is not structured to meet our needs, the education sector
is broken.  Instead of fixing these problems, we just demographically overhaul
our nation so gender studies students can get their dream job, so that
marketing students can market, and so that the person wanting to start
yet-another-damn-cafe-in-a-long-line-of-cafes can get a waiter.

If you step back, the whole premise is silly, and justifying migration for
skills allows us to keep the broken system.  It eventually will undo us all,
because, as is the case in Australia, the host country eventually gets
overtaken by the guests.  It's like replacing your family wholesale with
another member, claiming it is the same household, because you can't, or wont,
get your kids to do chores.

The problem in Western nations, with regards to skills, demographics are
INTERNAL problems.  We must bear the consequences of our actions, and stop
leaning on the rest of the world to fix our failings.

The practically of something which in my position is immoral (mass immigration)
is irrelevant, just as whether I can replace my children with others may have
economic benefits or not is irrelevant.

Asian countries don't do this, because unlike us, they are not silly and dumb.

And "skills shortage" is justification for mass migration.  If it were just a
few, really needed, hard to get skills, fine.  But its never that. NEVER.  No
Western country has a limited migration program.  They all, without exception,
I've been to many, are engaging in demographic altering, unprecedented nation
changing social experiments, all justified by the lamest economic reasons.

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