Subj : =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Pedro_S=c To : Boraxman From : Arelor Date : Wed Apr 13 2022 06:45:51 Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Pedro_S=c By: Boraxman to Arelor on Mon Apr 11 2022 04:54 pm > Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Pedro_S=c > By: Arelor to Boraxman on Sun Apr 10 2022 08:12 am > > > Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3a_Pedro_S=c > > By: Boraxman to Tracker1 on Sun Apr 10 2022 11:06 am > > > > Free Markets must mean free movement of people, and therefore I oppose > > > Free movement of Labour is something that will destroy your nation. I > > > sure how on can argue for free movement of Capital, but then deny that > > > Capital the right t move Labour as it sees fit. This isn't a free mar > > > as there is now a disconnect between Capital and Labour. > > > > Personally, if somebody is not a trouble maker there is not much of a rea > > for preventing him from moving from a place to another in order to get a > > am also a bit confused of free market proponents that are 100% opposed to > > immigration. > > > I get limiting the influx of people from troublesome places (ie. people f > > cultures with wildly opposed morals than yours) but seriously, sending aw > > workforce you don't need and taking workforce you do need is so much bett > > than the alternative. > > > -- > > gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken > > A nation isn't a "workforce". This idea imposed on us by our "ruling elite" > that our compatriots are exchangeable labour units is dehumanising and > nationally destructive. > > Bringing in "labour" en masse is always short-sighted and foolish. An > immediate gain for a long term cost. To the business owner, it makes sense, > but to the long term prospects of the nation, not so much. > > There is a reason China and Japan don't go down this path, and why these > nations will outlast Western Capitalists nations that do. > / > Well, here is the thing: Take some utterly stupid moronic Western country. I will take Spain, for no particular reason. Spain has been spending heavy loads of stolen tax money into making higher education available for everybody. As a result we have plenty people with Engineering degrees plowing potato fields, because we have more Engineers than we need. People has this tendency to feel like useless crap when they have gone through 2 years of HS Tech Studies + 5 years of College only to end up picking potatoes. If they manage to score a job, that's it. Of course, the problem is we over-produced degreed people, but now Spain has the problem that it has too many Engineers and nothing to do with them. Now let's say there is a country with a defficit in Engineers. Let's call it Horseistan. If a saddle manufacturer in Horseistan needs an Engineer for his factory and there are no local Engineers for the grab, he needs to hire a non local Engineer. He may as well try his luck posting an advertisement in some Spanish platform for job seekers. There are 2 scenarios: 1) Horseistan is a Nazi country and won't allow foreigner workers to move in. Therefore the saddle factory becomes impractical to operate and the manufacturer ends up moving the manufacturing offshore to a place where he can get qualificated workers. Hint: this is very very bad. 2) Horseistan is a non-Nazi country and a Spanish Engineer can move in. The Spanish Engineer is happy because he is no longer useless crap. The manufacturer is happy because he does not have to move the whole operation over. Hint: This is good. Spanish Socialists are angry because they spent many $$$$$ in order to educate an Engineer so he could over tax the crap out of him, and now they can't because he escaped their reach. Hint 2: this is even better. The only issue I may have with (small "l") liberal immigration policies is that you could flood the local market with foreigner workers. Pretty much the reason why finding a Spanish hooker is getting harder, because Nigerians are taking over :-( I don't generally find this to be much of a problem because you only get this sort of influx when you are really short of workers for a given sector. It is when you allow people to come in without a job that they arrive and have to undercut existing industries' wages, which is bad for the locals. -- gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken --- þ Synchronet þ Palantir BBS * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL .