Subj : Re: The stay home and not
To   : Dr. What
From : Boraxman
Date : Thu Mar 24 2022 20:46:00

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 DW> It's readily appearant that Socialism promotes this (ex. Bernie).  But
 DW> where is a good example of Capitalism promoting this?

People earning a passive income.  I manage a large share portfolio, not my
personal one, but the money came from inflated asset prices, which was then put
into shares, so the company earns dividends from the productive work of others.

We literally did NOTHING to earn this money, produced NOTHING yet have a steady
income stream.  This is a feature of Capitalism.

 DW> Ahh.. Never mind.  There it is.  The old (literally) Marx propaganda
 DW> about the "exploitation of the workers".

As I just outlined, people are seeking to obtain an income from productive
activity while not being productive themselves.  That is mooching.

You might have a justification for it, but I'm describing it as it appears. 
People taking a cut of productive activity by holding capital.  Rent seekers
are the same.

This has nothing to do with "surplus value".

 DW> Nothing of the sort.  Capitalism is winning because it has PROVEN to be
 DW> better for the workers.  Where's the "worker revolts" that Marx and
 DW> Engels (and other ignorant, useless marxists) predicted?  They never
 DW> happened.  Why?  Because the standard of living of said workers went
 DW> up, and continued to go up.

Thats what I said, it works better.  But being better doens't justify
stagnation and not progressing further.  It still have fundamental flaws and
issues regarding property rights.

 DW> Capitalism brings EVERYONE up (as opposed to Socialism which brings
 DW> everyone down).

 DW> The only people who push for Socialism are people who are lazy and
 DW> stupid, but want to believe that they are important enough for society
 DW> to support them.

Based on what I'm experience, Capitalism is pushing people down now due to its
failures.  I literally had to turn down a MANAGERIAL position because I
couldn't afford to move near where the job was, and the job isn't in Manhattan
or Monte Carlo, it was in the suburbs of Melbourne.

That is a failing system.  We've tried dealing with this crisis, the housing
crisis using Capitalistic solutions, and they haven't worked.  There is a
problem with distribution of resources.
 
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