Board:   [DoveNet] Religious Discussion/Debate/Evangelism
Subject: Re: Afterlife
From:    Ogg
Date:    Mon Sep 14, 2020 00:49

@VIA: EOTLBBS
On 9/11/2020 6:36 PM, between "paulie420":

 pa> My beliefs, I think, come from a [childhood] lifetime of
 pa> pressure to become ordained.... in my family, it was simple-

Wow.  You packed a lot of information in there.

Family pressure can sure be the worst feeling of restricted living. I am sure that it was a bit tough to share it.


 pa> ..However, during that childhood I saw
 pa> the good, bad and ugly of Christian living..

And you would not be the first.


 pa> ...I knew that Christianity and faith
 pa> teaching would never be for me.

You recognized that the examples of life that you saw labeled as Christianliving were not consistent with what you hoped to find based on certain teachings.  Humanity is flawed. No one disputes that.


 pa> If anything, I could consider spirituality or 'whats next'
 pa> if there was one ounce of proof or... reason that it could
 pa> be true. IMO, the overwhelming truth is that there isn't any
 pa> scientific reasoning behind the tall tales that the bible..

Science is about replicating some proof in a lab. The writings in the Bible have nothing to do with science. However, many accounts are verified by archeology, for example.

The bible has been studied for centuries. Are people just suddenly supposed to disregard the record just because some layman in 2020 says "tall tales"?

The ideas behind quantum theories, string theories,the "scientific" ideas behind alternate realities sound pretty wacky too.  Much of that hasn't been even proven.


 pa> ..- butevery single religion describes the same
 pa> God, punishment and miracle-talk.

Just a couple of examples to counter that claim:

Hinduism = so many variances from one god, yet acknowledging thousands of others; its concept of God is complex and depends upon each individual and the tradition and philosophy followed.

Buddhism = no god, really; more like a belief in a state of being.

Need I compare others?  So your statement "every single religion" does not fit the reality of just the two faiths mentionedabove.


 pa> ...I
 pa> believe that many many people are gone now - GONE - and they
 pa> spent their lives not living it.. having faith in something
 pa> invisible, without any scientific reasoning whatsoever.

Having faith in something that the bible describes doesn't mean you have to give up life. Faith gives a certain understanding of hope and meaning to life.


 pa> Everything I've experienced or seen in the flesh
 pa> shows me that the end is the end. Our dogs go.. and have
 pa> never came back. To me, anyway...

Many scientists, doctors and other highly educated people ponder the same things and come to opposite conclusions.


 pa> These are tough topics - and not one that can sway the
 pa> opposite opinion...

Yep. Tough for many. Even for those people still figuring things out.  There are however, many examples of people swaying in those thoughts through life.  It's an individual journey. It is up to you to decide what to think.  It is called free will.

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