Board:   [DoveNet] Religious Discussion/Debate/Evangelism
Subject: Re: Afterlife
From:    paulie420
Date:    Fri Sep 11, 2020 23:36

@VIA: BEERS20
 Og>  pa> *IMO* Its the hope... the story.. the inability to cope with
 Og>  pa> the OFF button; I believe when we die, we die. 'We' don't
 Og>  pa> anything anymore... no looking down @ our body, no going to
 Og>  pa> the next life, no party in the sky nor turmoil in a world of
 Og>  pa> I leave all the stories where they should go; a bookshelf. I
 Og>  pa> grew up a ministers child, so I'm knowledgable about the
 Og>  pa> beliefs - but take a much more scientific approach to
 Og>  pa> existance.
 Og>
 Og> Your key words above: "I believe.." intrigue me.  What do you base that
 Og> belief o n?
 Og>
 Og> Some actualscientists have reported their concerns:
 Og>
 Og>  pa> When its time to go, thats it man...
 Og> Maybe not.

My beliefs, I think, come from a [childhood] lifetime of pressure to become
ordained.... in my family, it was simple- become a minister and preach the
gospel of Jesus Christ. Period. I wasn't taught taxes, I wasn't taught other
ways to have a career; I was only pressured in every sense to become the same
as my Grandparents and Parents.

I love my Parents more than anyone in this world... their choices weren't
bad- they ended up great people, and lived a good honest clean life. However,
during that childhood I saw the good, bad and ugly of Christian living. How
the church if filled with fake followers [at least some of their time],
hypocritical living and just downright single-track acceptance.

This didn't set well with me, and even before I formed my beliefs about life
I knew that Christianity and faith teaching would never be for me.

If anything, I could consider spirituality or 'whats next' ifthere was one
ounce of proof or... reason that it could be true. IMO, the overwhelming
truth is that there isn't any scientificreasoning behind the tall tales that
the bible sells to the masses. In fact, just simple deduction and reasoning
[again, in my opinion] makes the choice so easy. Its hard to think of the
end. It sucks to not have a tomorrow. Christianity, the bible, isn'tthe only
religion in the world - but every single religion describes the same God,
punishment and miracle-talk. I've never witnessed a miracle. I've seen plenty
of wonderful happenings; people who should be gone and aren't... but just
think that they can all be explain thru science and reasoning.

The vast amounts of faith the bible asks us to have, thru stories that
couldn't possibly be true [in MY reasoning] just totally aligns with ALL of
the different religions have created the same thing: Something for their
societies to hold onto, so they don't have to die.

I just believe thats what it is... I don't want to fake myself out, I want to
live my best life while I'm HERE. I believe that many many people are gone
now - GONE - and they spent their lives not living it.. having faith in
something invisible, without any scientific reasoning whatsoever.

You ending sentance; maybe not... I cannot even wrap my head around how one
[more specifically, ME] could even make that statement. Everything I've
experienced or seen in the flesh shows me that the end is the end. Our dogs
go.. and have never came back. To me, anyway...

These are tough topics - and not one that can sway the opposite opinion...



pAULIE42o
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