Board:   [DoveNet] Firearms
Subject: Re: Ring of Fire/Saturday
From:    Weatherman
Date:    Mon May 18, 2026 10:00

Subject: Re: Ring of Fire/Saturday Nig
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Wow, my apologies for that post.  Looks like crap.  Forgot to set my text
editor to 80 columns, and the wrap looks like it happened at column 108 or
something.  Ooops!

 > -=> Logic44 wrote to All <=-

 >  Lo> Thread for cheap compact handguns like the Raven 25.

 >  Lo> The Raven 25 is a low cost, cast ZAMAK .25 ACP pocket pistol, possibly
 >  Lo> a Browning 1905 clone.

 >  Lo> It has a capacity of 6+1, and has a 2 inch fixed barrel.

 >  Lo> It uses a simple single action striker-fired design, the gun must be
 >  Lo> cycled to prime it.

 > I have to admit to a fondness for mouseguns in general.  In terms of
 > "Saturday Night Specials" I've got a Sundance A25 and a slightly higher tier
 > Phoenix HP25A. Also have a pair of NAA .22 WMR revolvers, a Standard
 > Manufacturing "Switch-Gun" in .22 WMR, a Baretta 950BS in .22 short.I've
 > also got a VERY nice Colt 1908 "vest-pocket" pistol in .25 ACP.  There's
 > also an interesting EIG model E-16 4-barreled pistol in the safe.

 > I'd have to say that my Sundance A25 and your Raven 25 are probably a LOT
 > closer in design to anything Browning might have produced.  In fact, if I
 > were to consider anything a clone of that 1905 Browning it would be my Colt
 > 1908.

 > An AI comparison of the Raven and the 1905 - which DOES appear to be highly
 > accurate:

 > The Browning 1905 (FN Model 1905) and the Raven .25 are both .25 ACP "mouse
 > guns" designed for deep concealment. The Browning is a premium, historically
 > significant John Moses Browning design, whereas the Raven is a
 > mass-produced, inexpensive Saturday Night Special.Key Comparison

 > Feature          Browning Model 1905 / Baby Browning     Raven MP-25

 > Origin/Era       Designed in 1905, manufactured by       Produced from the
 > 1970s to the 1990s
 >                  FN and Colt (as the 1908 Vest Pocket).  by Raven Arms.
 >
 > Build Quality    High. Precision-machined steel and      Low. Zinc alloy
 > castings (often
 >                excellent fit and finish.               referred to as a
 > "Saturday Night
 >                         Special").
 >
 > Action           Striker-fired, single-action, Striker-fired,
 > singleaction,
 >                  blowback-operated.                      blowback-operated.
 >
 > Safety Features  Includes a manual safety and a          Features a simple
 > thumb safety;
 >                  distinct grip safety .                  lacks a grip
 > safety.
 >
 > Reliability      Generally excellent and highly         Mixed; frequently
 > suffers from
 >                  reliable.                               feedingissues and
 > part breakage.
 >
 > Collectibility   High. Highly sought after by military   Low. Valued mostly
 > as an inexpensive
 >                  and firearms historians.                plinker or novelty
 >
 > The Caliber: .25 ACPBoth pistols are chambered in .25 ACP, a cartridge
 > designed by John Browning in 1905. He created it to serve as a reliable,
> centerfire alternative to the .22 Long Rifle (which suffered from poor
 > reliability in semi-automatic actions at the time).The .25 ACP is extremely
 > manageable to shoot, but it is considered quite weak for modern personal
 > defense, producing low velocity and limited penetration.

 > The Bottom Line

 > If you want a piece of history: The Browning is the way to go. It is a
 > masterpiece of early 20th-century gunsmithing, features exceptional
 > craftsmanship, and holds legitimate historical value.

 > If you want a cheap shooter/beater: The Raven may appeal as a
 > budget-friendly range toy. However, due to its cast-zinc components, it is
 > not recommended for daily carry or serious use.


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                                                       Regards,
                        -==*>Weatherman<*==-

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