Board:   [DoveNet] Firearms
Subject: Ring of Fire/Saturday Nig
From:    Weatherman
Date:    Sat May 16, 2026 01:31

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 Lo> Thread for cheap compact handguns like the Raven 25.

 Lo> The Raven 25 is a low cost, cast ZAMAK .25 ACP pocket pistol, possibly
 Lo> a Browning 1905 clone.

 Lo> It has a capacity of 6+1, and has a 2 inch fixed barrel.

 Lo> It uses a simple single action striker-fired design, the gun must be
 Lo> cycled to prime it.

I have to admit to a fondness for mouseguns in general.  In terms of "Saturday
Night Specials" I've got a Sundance A25 and a slightly higher tier Phoenix
HP25A. Also have a pair of NAA .22 WMR revolvers, a Standard Manufacturing
"Switch-Gun" in .22 WMR, a Baretta 950BSin .22 short.  I've also got a VERY
nice Colt 1908 "vest-pocket" pistol in .25 ACP.  There's also an interesting
EIG model E-164-barreled pistol in the safe.

I'd have to say that my Sundance A25 and your Raven 25 are probably a LOT
closer in design to anything Browning might have produced.  In fact, if I were
to consider anything a clone of that 1905 Browning it would be my Colt1908.

An AI comparison of the Raven and the 1905 - which DOES appear to be highly
accurate:

The Browning 1905 (FN Model 1905) and the Raven .25 are both .25 ACP "mouse
guns" designed for deep concealment. The Browning is a premium, historically
significant John Moses Browning design, whereas the Raven is a mass-produced,
inexpensive Saturday Night Special.Key Comparison

Feature          Browning Model 1905 / Baby Browning     Raven MP-25

Origin/Era       Designed in 1905, manufactured by       Produced from the
1970s to the 1990s
                 FN and Colt (as the 1908 Vest Pocket).  by Raven Arms.

Build Quality    High. Precision-machined steel and      Low. Zinc alloy
castings (often
                 excellent fit and finish.           referred to as a
"Saturday Night
                                                         Special").

Action           Striker-fired, single-action,           Striker-fired,
singleaction,
                 blowback-operated.                      blowback-operated.

Safety Features  Includes a manual safety and a          Features a simple
thumb safety;
                 distinct grip safety .                  lacks a grip safety.

Reliability      Generally excellent and highly          Mixed; frequently
suffers from
                 reliable.              feedingissues and part
breakage.

Collectibility   High. Highly sought after by military   Low. Valued mostly as
an inexpensive
                 and firearms historians.                plinker or novelty

The Caliber: .25 ACPBoth pistols are chambered in .25 ACP, a cartridge designed
by John Browning in 1905. He created it to serve as a reliable, centerfire
alternative to the .22 Long Rifle (which suffered from poor reliability in
semi-automatic actions at the time). The .25 ACP is extremely manageable to
shoot, but it is considered quite weak for modern personal defense, producing
low velocity and limited penetration.

The Bottom Line

If you want a piece of history: The Browning is the way to go. It is a
masterpiece of early 20th-century gunsmithing, features exceptional
craftsmanship, and holds legitimate historical value.

If you want a cheap shooter/beater: The Raven may appeal as a budget-friendly
range toy. However, due to its cast-zinc components, it isnot recommended for
daily carry or serious use.


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