Board:   [DoveNet] Entertainment
Subject: You Can See Everything (d
From:    Bryn
Date:    Sat Oct 24, 2026 14:02

Subject: You Can See Everything (docu re: Elizabeth Holmes)
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  Re: You Can See Everything (docu re: Elizabeth Holmes)
  By: Digital Man to Bryn on Tue Oct 20 2026 13:20:34

 > I didn't read Bad Blood, but probably should. I think I've seen all the other news magazine episodes (e.g. 60
 > minutes, HBO, etc.) about the story. Her story was pretty prevalent in my sphere, but I live and work in California
 > and tech, so maybe that's why. In 2019, I even interviewed a software engineer that previously worked at Theranos;
 > the guy was, not surprisngly, a bluffer.
What the news articles didn't capture (and unfortunately feels like nearly as big a tragedy as the voided blood tests) are the smart engineers that got wrapped up in her orbit. A lot of them should have known better (and you can tell they talked to carreyrou, the WSJ reporter that broke the story, out of that sense of remorse.) Some of them I presume were out of their depth. Most of the ones profiled are people given an impossible problem, and get a solution close enough that should be viewed as an engineering marvel. Unfortunately, most of the ones profiled only worked on one portion of a problem (how to get a robot to handle impossibly tiny amounts of blood in a compact space, but not the accuracy of the machines they fed the blood to for instance), but assume someone in a different silo in the company will come up with the solution for a problem they see arising out of it. Lots of intimidation and manipulation when the smarter engineers figure out what's going on, one engineer ends up taking their own life from the stress and some of the story in the WSJ is pieced from the resulting court proceedings. The only ones left by the time the edison is in full use seem to be useful idiots.

The blanket fraud and negligence mostly seemed to happen in the labs with the "finished" products (and the more glaring ridiculousness, like hiding an entire floor of blood testing machines from regulators) as they were the main personnel that would have known that the accuracy of the products weren't up to snuff, and witnessed all the hacking of siemens machines to make it look like they were running a legitimate operation. How you get to that point with the product being used by walgreens is more covered in the book than any other interview I've watched or read.

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