Board:   [DoveNet] Debate
Subject: Re: Universal Health Care
From:    nixx
Date:    Mon Jul 06, 2026 14:27

@VIA: NIXXNET
  Re: Re: Universal Health Care
  By: Outlaw to nixx on Sun Jul 05 2026 20:49:24

 >   Re: Re: Universal Health Care
 >   By: nixx to Dr. What on Sun Jul 05 2026 11:24 pm
 >
 >  > Health care does cost money, so does roads, schools, public infrastructure of any kind.
 >
 >  > It is the obligation of the whole society to help its members, this is not a new or a revolutionary concept.
 >
 >  That's crazy thinking, what you're saying here just promotes lazyness and relience on others to take care of people that don't
 > want to work.
 >  I have two brothers that think like that and they have been living off of other people for years.
 >  It's not everone's obligation to take care of everyone else.
 > My obligation is to take care of myself, and my imediate family.
 >
 > ...The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain.

I don't really know where to start with all this, so I will make a final comment

People are NOT lazy in general, people want to do *meaningful* work, we pay scientists to just "fuck around and come up with new shit" as a simple example, the idea that you have to "earn a living" implies that you do not deserve to live. There are millions of people who could have advanced society in science, arts, if they were given the chance. The churchdid this in the middle ages and it was a boon to society in general.

And yes, it is our responsability as members of the society to make sure that all our members needs are covered, if you do not want to participate in this system, feel free to leave, but do not expect the rest of society to help you when you are in need.

Similarly, we can "shun" members of society that do not, or refuse to contribute, right now, the pyramid is upside down, you would rather 1000 people die of disease or go hungry on the off chance that one of them is "working the system".

As I said, there were always be waste, heck, the US wastes more money managing private health care than it can actually provide, if you take 50% of your premiums and pay it to a single payer health system, you will get better coverage than what you get right now. I should know, I live in this system right now, and I used to livein "private everything" country before.

One example of someone gaming the system is a very bad justification for rejecting thewhole system, even if 10% of those covered are not deserving, it will still cover 90% that need it.

Yes there will always be waste, but we are humans, we developed society specifically to help and protect each other, most if not all species on this planet operate on this model, we are the only one that say "hey, I don't want to share".

Thank you for your time ladies and gents, again, this is my final comment.

-nick

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