Received: from spf5.us4.outblaze.com (spf5.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.27]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA96Xx85023699 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:34:00 GMT Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by spf5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EED577257 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:33:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CRPiA-0002QE-Vx for migo@homemail.com; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:42:39 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CRPhr-0002Pz-MR for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:42:19 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CRPhr-0002Pn-8c for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:42:19 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CRPhr-0002Pk-4l for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:42:19 -0500 Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CRPZF-0006Nn-5l for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:33:25 -0500 Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CRPZB-0003lq-00; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:33:21 +0900 To: Zenaan Harkness Subject: Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: trained dependency References: <20041104003210.33648.qmail@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> <1099530051.10774.225.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87sm7qgr5x.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1099597463.10774.302.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87y8hgdts6.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1099688980.10774.450.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87pt2reagm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1099863337.28980.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87bre8dh85.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1099896782.3026.107.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87oei8bnhs.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1099950212.3066.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Organization: The XEmacs Project From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:33:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: <1099950212.3066.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Zenaan Harkness's message of "Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:43:33 +1100") Message-ID: <873bzj8rbj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: arch X-BeenThere: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: a discussion list for all things arch-ish List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Errors-To: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Status: RO Content-Length: 1986 Lines: 48 >>>>> "Zen" == Zenaan Harkness writes: Zen> "A Free Market in education expenditure - putting the Zen> teacher/education purchasing power back into the hands of Zen> parents." I'm sorry, that's not a "proposal." A proposal says where the money comes from, where it goes, what the schedule is, who owns things, who runs things, what you do about the inevitable swath of bankruptcies as competition does its thing, how you deal with the inevitable fraud and corruption, safety net for the children involved in the snafus, etc. Not to mention warning the rest of society about how it is about to get badly torqued as educational standards and processes change. Zen> I thought I'd already described that. Think again. I believe in the magic of the market. I'm a priest of that religion, if you like. But even a magician has to _prepare_ his potions and spells. Zen> "Free market" I am confident is up to the task - the reason Zen> being, I believe in the ability of parents and even even Zen> children (once they reach a certain level of education) to 1) Zen> be able to determine (over the medium to long term) what Zen> works and 2) be self interested enough to ensure this Zen> actually happens. Are you forgetting just how crippled you've been saying we all are? And the vast majority lacks the advantages that you and I have. The transition is going to be a major snafu, unless we plan carefully. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software. _______________________________________________ Gnu-arch-users mailing list Gnu-arch-users@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-arch-users GNU arch home page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch/