Received: from spf1.us4.outblaze.com (spf1.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.23]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA8NHngQ000855 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:17:50 GMT Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by spf1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D5453C21 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:17:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CRItt-0005ny-9R for migo@homemail.com; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:26:17 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CRItO-0005mH-R1 for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:25:47 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CRItM-0005kg-7U for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:25:44 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CRItM-0005kI-32 for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:25:44 -0500 Received: from [205.149.2.136] (helo=xl2.seyza.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CRIk8-0000VP-Fx for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:16:14 -0500 Received: from xl2.seyza.com (localhost.seyza.com [127.0.0.1]) by xl2.seyza.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA8NKcIb084795; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lord@xl2.seyza.com) Received: (from lord@localhost) by xl2.seyza.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id iA8NKb9d084792; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:20:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lord) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:20:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200411082320.iA8NKb9d084792@xl2.seyza.com> From: Thomas Lord To: stephen@xemacs.org In-reply-to: <877jowdbab.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: Re: community spirit References: <200411010336.iA13af6p023128@xl2.seyza.com> <20041101141701.GB9161@puritan.pcp.ath.cx> <87wtx51w70.fsf@beeblebrox.rfc1149.net> <20041101144826.GD9161@puritan.pcp.ath.cx> <41867B20.1020608@melon.dk> <2982EA60-2C38-11D9-8C6F-000393CFE6B8@spy.net> <4186917E.3030209@melon.dk> <20041101232959.GA25080@hezmatt.org> <87ekjcswdn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <418765A9.2040206@diku.dk> <878y9kpfcm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200411022006.iA2K6Q1n036262@xl2.seyza.com> <87y8hinbq1.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200411041938.iA4Jc4UX055425@xl2.seyza.com> <87lldfe8la.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1099864111.28980.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <877jowdbab.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Cc: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org, zen@cashpoolcomps.com X-BeenThere: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: a discussion list for all things arch-ish List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Errors-To: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Status: RO Content-Length: 1264 Lines: 43 you: >> Furthermore, Tom is a former employee of the Artist Formerly >> Known As Cygnus Solutions. Nobody is willing to say much about >> the separation, but it clearly was an issue of refusing the >> boss's orders, not incompetence or being hired away by a >> competitor. >> I think it's fair to say he left the game. me: > I do not think it's fair to say that. But all this is dumb, of course. Explicitly accusatory on one side and implicitly counter-acusatory on the other side, all in a public space in which neither side can comfortably produce definative supporting evidence. It's a pointless game, if left at that. Next moves if that /isn't/ the game? --- hmmm i dunno. "Me" making "them" an offer that's "/easy/ to refuse (and hopefully easier to accept)?" The opposite of bribery and price fixing and other forms of economic hostility is progressive commerce, more or less, no? And the opposite of public to-the-death debate is private consultation in a spirit of community, yes? -t _______________________________________________ Gnu-arch-users mailing list Gnu-arch-users@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-arch-users GNU arch home page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch/