To: Zenaan Harkness <zen@cashpoolcomps.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: Re: community spirit
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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:56:12 +0900
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>>>>> "Zenaan" == Zenaan Harkness <zen@cashpoolcomps.com> writes:

    >> As far as I can tell from public utterances, yours and others',
    >> you've never tried to compete on the established field of play.
    >> Instead, you've refused to play by the rules, and left the
    >> game.  The action is

    Zenaan> Spearheading development of arch is "leaving the game"?!?

The game Tom and I were talking about is "industry funding for
development of important new classes of application"; I should think
that the fact that Tom is not even sitting in the stands (until very
recently) is obvious from your own post---see below.

Furthermore, Tom is a former employee of the Artist Formerly Known As
Cygnus Solutions.  Nobody is willing to say much about the separation,
but it clearly was an issue of refusing the boss's orders, not
incompetence or being hired away by a competitor.

I think it's fair to say he left the game.

    Zenaan> So Tom is not being an entrepreneur in his development, in
    Zenaan> his work building arch/tla, in establishing this
    Zenaan> community, in maxing out all his credit lines, in living
    Zenaan> on the edge, in persevering for month after month, in
    Zenaan> short, putting his actions where his principles lie?

That's an apt description of "a hero," but not of "an entrepreneur."

    Zenaan> You're clearly missing reality today sorry...

No, you just have more flexible definitions of some halo words than I
do.  That's nice, but it doesn't help connect Tom with money and
influence.  I think we can agree that it would be a good thing if he
had more of both?


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              ask what your business can "do for" free software.


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