Received: from spf3.us4.outblaze.com (spf3.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.25]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA4KHsSH024220 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:17:55 GMT Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by spf3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD50654833 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:59:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPnu4-0006SK-6D for migo@homemail.com; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:08:16 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPntf-0006S1-Bx for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:07:51 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPnte-0006Rd-K6 for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPnte-0006RM-DR for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:07:50 -0500 Received: from [144.140.71.18] (helo=gizmo08ps.bigpond.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CPnlG-0006gk-Ee for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:59:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 2954 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 19:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO psmam12.bigpond.com) (144.135.25.103) by gizmo08ps.bigpond.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 19:59:08 -0000 Received: from cpe-144-132-211-224.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.211.224]) by psmam12.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 234/121362113) with SMTP id 121362113; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 05:59:08 +1000 Received: by poolcompsonline.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2672E7963F; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:01:42 +1100 Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Re: Re: community spirit From: Zenaan Harkness To: arch In-Reply-To: <200411041938.iA4Jc4UX055425@xl2.seyza.com> References: <200411010336.iA13af6p023128@xl2.seyza.com> <20041101141701.GB9161@puritan.pcp.ath.cx> <87wtx51w70.fsf@beeblebrox.rfc1149.net> <20041101144826.GD9161@puritan.pcp.ath.cx> <41867B20.1020608@melon.dk> <2982EA60-2C38-11D9-8C6F-000393CFE6B8@spy.net> <4186917E.3030209@melon.dk> <20041101232959.GA25080@hezmatt.org> <87ekjcswdn.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <418765A9.2040206@diku.dk> <878y9kpfcm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200411022006.iA2K6Q1n036262@xl2.seyza.com> <87y8hinbq1.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200411041938.iA4Jc4UX055425@xl2.seyza.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1099598502.10774.311.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:01:42 +1100 X-BeenThere: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: a discussion list for all things arch-ish List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Errors-To: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Status: RO Content-Length: 1666 Lines: 38 > The bloated crazy approach is promoted in the industry press in the > form of which projects get the most attention and in terms of what > kind of attention they get (and, as a matter of history, that press > attention does /not/ follow consumer uptake -- it precedes it). That > industry press is in turn controlled by members of the same social > clique of execs who are checksigning for the crazy approach: Does it > make me paranoid to think that the press and those execs share a > common reality-perception bug wrt. how software works? I was just about to say that - I think there is a belief that the way they are going is the quickest/ cheapest way to create what users (other corporates in large part) want/"will pay for". So I think I'd agree that it's a perception bug. > Such frugal and serendipitous parsimony is great (and lucky) when it > works ("ain't i clever?") but it is a sentimental fantasy to believe > that such cleverness should compete, alone, against the market and > social forces constructed by the current checksigners. Such Simple greed and/ or "perception of need for financial survival" of respective signers. Unfortunately. > deploying? Where I come from, we call that kind of engineer a "tool" > and we do everything we can to wake them up or else regretfully beat > them back with a stick. Even if that "everything" is sometimes pretty > humble and gentle like a flame on g-a-u. Beatings welcomed :) _______________________________________________ Gnu-arch-users mailing list Gnu-arch-users@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-arch-users GNU arch home page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch/