Received: from spf3.us4.outblaze.com (spf3.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.25]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA40x2FM029515 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:59:02 GMT Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by spf3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C4D53697 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:59:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW63-0002qx-OV for migo@homemail.com; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:07:27 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW5h-0002qs-Oe for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:07:05 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW5h-0002qg-CD for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:07:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW5h-0002qd-6Z for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:07:05 -0500 Received: from [144.140.71.20] (helo=gizmo10ps.bigpond.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CPVxF-0003IN-8t for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:58:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 18742 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 00:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO psmam12.bigpond.com) (144.135.25.103) by gizmo10ps.bigpond.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 00:58:19 -0000 Received: from cpe-144-132-211-224.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.211.224]) by psmam12.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 234/120546082) with SMTP id 120546082; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:58:19 +1000 Received: by poolcompsonline.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 918117963F; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:00:51 +1100 Subject: Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: trained dependency From: Zenaan Harkness To: arch In-Reply-To: <20041104003210.33648.qmail@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041104003210.33648.qmail@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1099530051.10774.225.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:00:51 +1100 X-BeenThere: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: a discussion list for all things arch-ish List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Errors-To: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Status: RO Content-Length: 1499 Lines: 31 On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 11:32, Frank Pohlmann wrote: > But: does all this apply to the majority of us? The beginning of "Deschooling Society" says it like it needs to be said: http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Illich/Deschooling/chap1.html "Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavor are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question." _______________________________________________ Gnu-arch-users mailing list Gnu-arch-users@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-arch-users GNU arch home page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch/