Received: from spf5.us4.outblaze.com (spf5.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.27]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA40tjFM017450 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:55:46 GMT Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by spf5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122107715E for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW2s-0001mh-UC for migo@homemail.com; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:04:10 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW2N-0001l6-Tr for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:03:40 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW2M-0001kD-UF for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:03:39 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPW2M-0001k6-Rn for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:03:38 -0500 Received: from [144.140.70.21] (helo=gizmo11bw.bigpond.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CPVtY-0002df-V4 for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:54:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 4105 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 00:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bwmam13.bigpond.com) (144.135.24.106) by gizmo11bw.bigpond.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 00:54:29 -0000 Received: from cpe-144-132-211-224.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.211.224]) by bwmam13.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_4_2a 198/104145856) with SMTP id 104145856; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:54:29 +1000 Received: by poolcompsonline.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B4B717963F; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:57:02 +1100 Subject: Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: trained dependency From: Zenaan Harkness To: arch In-Reply-To: <20041104003210.33648.qmail@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041104003210.33648.qmail@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1099529822.10774.221.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:57:02 +1100 X-BeenThere: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: a discussion list for all things arch-ish List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Errors-To: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Status: RO Content-Length: 2127 Lines: 49 > he means to say that most of us are capable of DOING > things at a far earlier age than we generally admit. I am very interested to hear your thoughts again when you have read a substantial bit more... > "When I was a schoolboy in Monongahela, I learned with > a shock that the men who won our Revolution were > barely out of high school by the standards of my time: ... > But: does all this apply to the majority of us? Does it not? And please don't generalize - as in, are you personally a barely- literate-capable schlub who needed 12 or more years of schooling to hope for a decent trade or secretarial or managerial job? Is your confidence in yourself already so beaten so as to believe the lie that you'd be incompetent and likely beneath-the-law if you hadn't been schooled? Is there no possibility that you would be that much _more_ capable, learned, world-wise, widely read and energetically seeking the depths of your own humanity, had you had, instead of endless years of compulsory confinement schooling, a diverse upbringing with a wealth of real-life experiences and interactions? --- As to revolutions, speaking as an Australian citizen, things are _way_ too materially comfortable in Australia for a revolution to be anywhere near our doorstep, I'd say for at least the next 15 years. Kind of why as a population we are all too willing to take our civil liberties up the ass with the anti-terror legislation we copped post-9/11 (we can now be locked up indefinitely without access to a phone call or lawyer, we can be questioned and searched without a warrant, and our community groups can be arbitrarily "deemed" by the Governor General as terrorist organizations, and after which, even without us knowing this fact, if we continue to associate with that organization, we are automatically a terrorist. Welcome to Australia^B Guantanamo Bay). Up the coit? With a fuckin pineapple!) _______________________________________________ Gnu-arch-users mailing list Gnu-arch-users@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-arch-users GNU arch home page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch/