Received: from spf1.us4.outblaze.com (spf1.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.23]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3N9dIP022320 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:09:40 GMT Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by spf1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A044B53A82 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:09:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPUO8-00063E-Gi for migo@homemail.com; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:18:00 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPUNh-000633-FK for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:17:33 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CPUNg-00062k-Po for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:17:32 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CPUNg-00062a-NA for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:17:32 -0500 Received: from [82.67.232.89] (helo=stefp.dyndns.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CPUFB-00087F-4e for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:08:45 -0500 Received: by stefp.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 5DF414466; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:11:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:11:00 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane?= Payrard To: arch Subject: Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: trained dependency Message-ID: <20041103231100.GC7515@stefp.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: stef@payrard.net, arch References: <878y9kpfcm.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200411022006.iA2K6Q1n036262@xl2.seyza.com> <1099430686.10774.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87actzvpnb.fsf@cenderis.demon.co.uk> <1099438163.10774.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1099448957.10774.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87u0s6n8da.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1099516340.10774.153.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1099516340.10774.153.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-BeenThere: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: stef@payrard.net List-Id: a discussion list for all things arch-ish List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Errors-To: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Status: RO Content-Length: 1383 Lines: 44 On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 08:12:20AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: [snipped] > > And here's the website for Gatto's works: > http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/ > > Quote from that page: "Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is > that the institution was launched by a group of kindly men and women who > wanted to help the children of ordinary families?to level the playing > field, so to speak." > > cheers > zen > > Deschooling society (http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Illich/Deschooling/intro.html) and other Ivan Illich works/utopies are interesting even if we are going everyday farther (further?) in the opposite direction. He was also in favor on products that could be tuned and repared by end users. This is a the case in Africa where they got very old european cars. In a few years, getting the stuff we don't want will not even be of any use to them. Apart free software, there is not much we can tinker freely. And salers of content may end that anyday by obliging to lock the next generation of computers. Or computer manufacturers discover that specialized gizmos with firmaware can sale in fasters cycles than open computers. -- stef _______________________________________________ Gnu-arch-users mailing list Gnu-arch-users@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-arch-users GNU arch home page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch/