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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:07:35 +0000 (GMT)
From: Frank Pohlmann <polar_beauty@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Gnu-arch-users] OT: trained dependency
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> the
> > time to read through the whole website:)
> 
> The link is a two (medium lengths) paragraph extract
> from Gatto's latest
> book, which does not include the stats.

Ah. This is getting complicated. I shall chase them up
- I happen to need the data for an entirely different
project.

> > > (including America's founding fathers).
> > 
> > That is highly doubtful. Many were privately
> educated
> > at tremendous cost. They might not have bragged
> about
> > it, but nobody became a lawyer without some pretty
> > serious study and education.
> 
> "Serious study and education" are entirely separate
> (and some would say
> antithetical) to schooling. Yes the founding
> father's studied seriously.
> There are extensive records of this (bigraphies,
> etc). _

Indeed.

And_ at the
> time, much of the US' free population was
> (similarly) very well read.

I am a bit dubious about this, to be honest. But I
suppose Mr. Gatto has done his research. 

> > I am not in favour of
> > compulsory schooling, but in the political arena
> it
> > was and is fairly difficult to survive without
> formal
> > schooling and subsequent university education.
> 
> Ahh, well now you're saying something I would tend
> to agree with, albeit
> assuming your assumptions on what is "the political
> arena".

I admit I was rather vague about this - I am talking
about working in services associated with governmental
functions and political "jobs", e.g. law enforcement,
diplomacy, secondary and tertiary education,
communications, military leadership, Congress, Senate
etc.

> > Schools, it is true, have been in existence
> outside of
> > democracy for millenia.
> 
> Please don't confuse schools in history, (most?) of
> which were more like
> modern libraries (places free of the bell curve
> dunce caps of exams, the
> personal ridicule of public exam scores, etc, etc),
> with the India
> (ensuring cast system) -> Prussia (Germany; "Aryan
> race" theory) ->
> modern US, schooling system. They are massively
> different, in various
> ways.

Err, I am German, living 6 months of the year in
Indian and 6 months in England. You were saying?;)

Of course, they were different. Got to run,
unfortunately.

-frank


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