Received: from spf5.us4.outblaze.com (spf5.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.27]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9LMe3lM013993 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:40:03 GMT Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by spf5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40AD76F15 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:40:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKlil-0003Fe-II for migo@homemail.com; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:47:47 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKliM-0003FY-RQ for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:47:22 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKliM-0003FM-Eu for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:47:22 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKliM-0003FJ-BG for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:47:22 -0400 Received: from [128.255.17.47] (helo=server07.icaen.uiowa.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKlaq-0004Wa-1Y for gnu-arch-users@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:39:36 -0400 Received: from server11.icaen.uiowa.edu (server11.icaen.uiowa.edu [128.255.17.51]) by server07.icaen.uiowa.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i9LMdYEv005660; sent by ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (12-217-241-0.client.mchsi.com [12.217.241.0]) by server11.icaen.uiowa.edu (8.12.9/smtp-service-1.6) with ESMTP id i9LMdXVt029800; (envelope-from ) Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <41783AA7.4040301@johnmeinel.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:35 -0500 From: John Meinel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zenaan Harkness Subject: Re: [Gnu-arch-users] GNU copyright assignment References: <87vfd5xhe0.fsf@flame.org> <20041020214600.GA624@merconline.com> <1098313404.5336.26.camel@whiskas.cashpoolcomps.com> <20041021010420.GA1945@iup.edu> <1098324514.5336.74.camel@whiskas.cashpoolcomps.com> <20041021022908.GA2057@iup.edu> <871xfs4795.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <1098397258.5336.104.camel@whiskas.cashpoolcomps.com> In-Reply-To: <1098397258.5336.104.camel@whiskas.cashpoolcomps.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.66n X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75.1, clamav-milter version 0.75 on clamav.icaen.uiowa.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: arch X-BeenThere: gnu-arch-users@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: a discussion list for all things arch-ish List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0002848313==" Sender: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Errors-To: gnu-arch-users-bounces+migo=homemail.com@gnu.org Status: RO Content-Length: 3123 Lines: 95 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0002848313== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEEB3F4B45D5584E17A50DA4B" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEEB3F4B45D5584E17A50DA4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>More important than the fact that the forms are hidden---you don't >>have to sign them if you don't like them, and they are negotiable if >>the FSF wants your code bad enough, after all---is the fact that >>authors' names are may be hidden. > > > This is confusing, due to lack of grammar, and infuriatingly so, since > it sounds important and I want to understand it. Please rewrite it when > you get time so that I may understand what you're saying here. > > >>In the case of the FSF, as far as I >>know anything like that is inadvertant---they keep and publish good >>changelogs---but it's theoretically possible. This means that if you >>want access to some code under some terms and the FSF won't give it to >>you, you are unable to ask the authors to give it to you under the >>"grant-back" clause. > > > This sounds like you're saying "sometimes the FSF FiretrUCKs up, and > loses correct attribution of code. > > >>That probably doesn't bother anybody else here, but with respect to my >>own contributions I dislike it. > > > In which case, use tla and make sure you have a good clean record of > your contributions in such case... > > like, isn't that obvious ??? > > Please clarify > Zen > What I understand is that the FSF will allow you to contribute code, and then hide your name from the list of authors. (I'm not sure if that is by your request or not.) As the original author, you still have more rights than a regular user. But if a third party comes along and wants a different license for the work that the FSF won't give them, because your name is not on the list of authors the third party cannot contact you to get a different license. Again, that was my understanding, and I could be (very) wrong. John =:-> --------------enigEEB3F4B45D5584E17A50DA4B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Cygwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBeDqnJdeBCYSNAAMRAjejAKCZZrBq2HwGMhEh+SoBlx6wvxbHZACfc3mn jenSTmktu1Vb7CxltNXI2Qk= =yKem -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEEB3F4B45D5584E17A50DA4B-- --===============0002848313== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Gnu-arch-users mailing list Gnu-arch-users@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-arch-users GNU arch home page: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/gnu-arch/ --===============0002848313==--